WEBVTT 00:00:01.760 --> 00:00:04.136 Good evening councilors 00:00:04.160 --> 00:00:07.160 and public welcome to the meeting 00:00:07.600 --> 00:00:10.600 of the 10th of June 26. 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:13.016 I'd start by Hawkesbury City Council 00:00:13.040 --> 00:00:14.695 acknowledge the Dharug and Darkinjung 00:00:14.719 --> 00:00:16.936 people as traditional custodians of the 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:19.255 land of the Hawkesbury. We pay respect to 00:00:19.279 --> 00:00:21.816 all Elders past and present and emerging 00:00:21.840 --> 00:00:23.896 and acknowledge all Aboriginal and 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:25.896 Torres Strait Islander people as the first 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:28.920 people of this country. 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And finally, it is 00:01:32.320 --> 00:01:33.735 also requested that if any person 00:01:33.759 --> 00:01:35.256 participating in or attending the 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:36.856 meeting has a mobile phone that they 00:01:36.880 --> 00:01:38.616 either turn it off or turn it to silent. 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:40.135 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:41.502 Thank you, general manager. 00:01:41.526 --> 00:01:43.336 00:01:43.360 --> 00:01:46.360 councilors, apologies I just 00:01:48.399 --> 00:01:50.455 make councils aware councilors please 00:01:50.479 --> 00:01:51.976 note that the previous council meeting 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:54.375 held on the 2nd of June 26 council 00:01:54.399 --> 00:01:56.696 accepted an apology from councelor 00:01:56.720 --> 00:01:59.720 Mike Creed and granted leave of 00:02:00.320 --> 00:02:02.055 absence of council meetings until the 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:05.079 30th of June. 00:02:06.240 --> 00:02:09.012 declarations of interest councilors 00:02:09.036 --> 00:02:12.036 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:14.056 council Wheeler 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:16.376 thanks Mr. Mayor I have an interest 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:19.400 in item 10 10.5.1 00:02:27.440 --> 00:02:29.896 Thank you, Deputy Mayor. 00:02:29.920 --> 00:02:32.920 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Item 10.2.1, 00:02:33.599 --> 00:02:35.656 item 10.3.2, 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:38.680 and item 10.5.1. 00:02:49.519 --> 00:02:51.976 Council, did you have something else? 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:54.855 Oh, sorry. 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:57.879 Thank you. 00:03:02.480 --> 00:03:04.215 Can I have confirmation of the 00:03:04.239 --> 00:03:06.456 minutes dated the 2nd of June 28th, 00:03:06.480 --> 00:03:08.376 please? Yes. 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:11.400 Council Reardon. [clears throat] 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:16.935 councelor Ryan 00:03:16.959 --> 00:03:18.855 any discussion 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:21.879 those in favor 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:25.495 against it's carried unanimously council 00:03:25.519 --> 00:03:27.736 Zamprogno council Wheeler councilor Lyons-Buckett 00:03:27.760 --> 00:03:30.760 Ryan Djuric McMahon Kotlash 00:03:31.760 --> 00:03:34.760 Veigel Reardon and Sheather the motion's carried 00:03:51.760 --> 00:03:54.760 We've got two speakers in relation to 00:03:55.519 --> 00:03:57.415 um the 00:03:57.439 --> 00:04:00.439 the public address and council this 00:04:00.640 --> 00:04:03.640 evening. Frank Reed, they're both in 00:04:04.640 --> 00:04:07.415 relation to 10.2.1. Frank Reed and 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:10.439 and Grant Gerish. 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:14.855 Mr. Reed, excuse me, if 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:16.696 you'd like to address council, you have 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:18.215 five minutes. There's a there's a buzzer 00:04:18.239 --> 00:04:19.656 at four minutes just to let you know 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:21.175 that time. 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:21.576 Thank you. 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:22.776 It's a minute to expire. 00:04:22.800 --> 00:04:24.376 Mr. Mayor, may I just read out my 00:04:24.400 --> 00:04:25.256 declaration? 00:04:25.280 --> 00:04:26.056 Yes, you can. 00:04:26.080 --> 00:04:29.080 Thank you. thank you. My declaration 00:04:29.440 --> 00:04:31.895 is less than significant non-punerary. 00:04:31.919 --> 00:04:34.056 The item mentions funding for Turnball 00:04:34.080 --> 00:04:35.816 Oval and my son plays for Hawkesbury 00:04:35.840 --> 00:04:37.416 Hawks. However, that is not a pecunary 00:04:37.440 --> 00:04:38.776 interest. I'll be staying in the room. 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:39.576 Thank you. 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:41.576 Thanks, Deputy Mayor. 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:42.776 Mr. Reed, 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:43.816 thank you. 00:04:43.840 --> 00:04:45.496 and thanks for the and thanks 00:04:45.520 --> 00:04:48.216 for the opportunity to speak tonight. 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:50.455 I'd like to just give a short 00:04:50.479 --> 00:04:52.696 overview and then I'd like to take a 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:55.720 focus into the deep part of the center 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:58.136 because as you know as all the 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:00.776 councilors here have received my email 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:03.800 with photos of the courts and also 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:06.696 the list of supporters. So tonight I 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:09.096 have my colleagues with me and also 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:12.120 we have 170 strong team called fort 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:14.455 which are the friends of Richmond 00:05:14.479 --> 00:05:16.696 tennis. you also have a list of 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:19.720 those. we speak in support of the 00:05:20.080 --> 00:05:23.080 draft plan and the 200k that has been 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:26.455 mentioned. Um that's very exciting for 00:05:26.479 --> 00:05:28.776 us and I hope it is for you. I do wish 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:31.800 to bring some key details into focus. Um 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:34.136 and I'd also like to personally thank 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:35.735 three of the councilors who've actually 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:37.576 taken the trouble to come out and have a 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:39.976 look at the courts and fix the road 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:41.976 afterwards which was great. And that's 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:44.376 may she the council at Veigel and Djuric. 00:05:44.400 --> 00:05:47.096 Thank you for that. A quick overview of 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:49.256 the situation is this. This is where 00:05:49.280 --> 00:05:52.280 it's come to now. The HDTA, that's the 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:54.615 Horseshoe District Tennis Association 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:57.639 demise started back in 2018 and 00:05:57.919 --> 00:06:00.536 collapsed during CO 19 like a lot of 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:03.560 others I hear sadly um with no funds. 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:07.496 Since then the coach has run the center 00:06:07.520 --> 00:06:09.416 um really holding the thing together if 00:06:09.440 --> 00:06:11.816 you like and of course in that situation 00:06:11.840 --> 00:06:13.895 controls all the revenue and pays all 00:06:13.919 --> 00:06:16.919 the costs including council's lease. 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:20.600 the court hire revenue 75% comes from 00:06:23.039 --> 00:06:26.039 that alone. So court highire revenue 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:29.336 social juniors comps tournaments the 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:32.360 whole thing is is deeply relies on 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:35.560 that to survive. Um our current 00:06:35.840 --> 00:06:37.416 situation here and this is really 00:06:37.440 --> 00:06:39.175 focused. There are two tennis courts 00:06:39.199 --> 00:06:40.936 here over at Windsor the town courts. 00:06:40.960 --> 00:06:42.856 There's one up there at Freeman's Reach. 00:06:42.880 --> 00:06:44.056 There's a couple up there someone 00:06:44.080 --> 00:06:45.895 reminded me of it carajong height which 00:06:45.919 --> 00:06:48.295 a bit far away. 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:50.295 Three viable tennis courts in the 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:53.319 district. We have 14 at Richmond. Let me 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:55.576 just explain to you the situation with 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:57.175 the Richmond courts. And I'm not 00:06:57.199 --> 00:06:58.856 pointing a finger of blame here. There's 00:06:58.880 --> 00:07:00.376 a lot of factors that have come into 00:07:00.400 --> 00:07:03.400 this. Six courts are unsafe for play. 00:07:04.400 --> 00:07:07.400 That's 42%. Four courts are cracked, 00:07:07.599 --> 00:07:10.216 worn, faded, and below competition 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:13.096 standard. That's 28%. Two courts have 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:14.856 potential trip hazards where the 00:07:14.880 --> 00:07:16.615 recently removed fencing has left the 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:18.936 footings and the posts have been painted 00:07:18.960 --> 00:07:21.816 so we can see where we can trip. 00:07:21.840 --> 00:07:23.575 Two courts have good playing surface, 00:07:23.599 --> 00:07:25.656 but unfortunately one has a bent post. 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:27.096 So therefore, it's not good for 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:29.256 competition either. So we're down to one 00:07:29.280 --> 00:07:31.895 highquality court for competitive play. 00:07:31.919 --> 00:07:34.919 That means there are 91% of the courts 00:07:35.840 --> 00:07:38.776 have some sort of an issue. And if I'm 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:41.800 running a business, that's a worry. So 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:44.455 that is one of our main concerns here 00:07:44.479 --> 00:07:47.479 and it is urgent. Um it also is a worry 00:07:48.960 --> 00:07:51.175 in terms of ONS standards. We've had 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:53.816 someone have a look at those courts and 00:07:53.840 --> 00:07:55.575 probably a couple of them should be 00:07:55.599 --> 00:07:58.599 closed. Lighting is also under pressure 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:01.256 because of the age of the lights. Now, 00:08:01.280 --> 00:08:03.656 there are a couple of remedies in terms 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:06.376 of time. Um, and there suggested by 00:08:06.400 --> 00:08:09.256 council reform the HDTA. Well, that's a 00:08:09.280 --> 00:08:11.496 startup with no funds to pay rent, 00:08:11.520 --> 00:08:14.295 insurance, a number of other things 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:15.976 and a center that's less than operative 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:17.895 of 10%. 00:08:17.919 --> 00:08:20.919 The last effective HDTA was in 2010. 00:08:21.919 --> 00:08:24.919 They had a $17,000 profit. What we've 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:27.416 got the problem with now is volunteers, 00:08:27.440 --> 00:08:29.416 time poor people, and of course, no 00:08:29.440 --> 00:08:30.936 revenue streams because they all go 00:08:30.960 --> 00:08:32.296 through to the coach now who's been 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:35.176 holding the fort. The center runs 7 days 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:37.815 a week, including four to six nights. 00:08:37.839 --> 00:08:40.839 It's a highintensive business. The coach 00:08:40.959 --> 00:08:43.656 could continue as is with a renewed 00:08:43.680 --> 00:08:45.736 center under council's management that 00:08:45.760 --> 00:08:48.375 was suggested by council and also 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:50.456 council could take over the entire 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:52.616 running and automate the center and 00:08:52.640 --> 00:08:55.640 provide management. The challenge is the 00:08:55.680 --> 00:08:57.976 draft plan for four courts is great. 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:00.776 What's included? We estimate it's about 00:09:00.800 --> 00:09:03.176 60,000 short of getting those four 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:06.200 courts done effectively. We also have 00:09:06.399 --> 00:09:08.536 other supporters there that play other 00:09:08.560 --> 00:09:10.935 sports other than tennis, pickle ball, 00:09:10.959 --> 00:09:13.336 footsaw, training, disabled tennis, hot 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:16.360 shots. They are all it's a multi-purpose 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:18.056 center. 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:21.080 We believe that for 460,000 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:23.976 council could fix those courts in one 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:25.495 hit. I'm not talking about lights here. 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:27.656 I'm talking about services both ends and 00:09:27.680 --> 00:09:29.815 we would have a fully functioning 00:09:29.839 --> 00:09:32.839 center. Tennis New South Wales has also 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:35.096 suggested they could come up with 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:38.120 $90,000 as well. Thank you for your time 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:39.815 and if you have any questions, I'm happy 00:09:39.839 --> 00:09:42.839 to handle them. 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:46.216 thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Um 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:47.416 Mr. Reed, [clears throat] 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:49.976 um just touching on what you just said 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.375 then, under what conditions would 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:54.536 Tennis New South Wales give the 00:09:54.560 --> 00:09:57.416 90,000? Would that be contingent on 00:09:57.440 --> 00:09:59.736 council giving something? Well, 00:09:59.760 --> 00:10:02.216 absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. And and 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:04.456 what they and what council can do as the 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:06.776 owner of the courts is actually apply to 00:10:06.800 --> 00:10:09.096 them with help. They're very keen to 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:11.896 help. Um and they will offer 20 up to 00:10:11.920 --> 00:10:14.616 20% of the overall cost. So I figure 00:10:14.640 --> 00:10:17.495 that's about 90,000 at this case of that 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:19.255 460,000. 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:21.176 Obviously it'd be less related to the 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:23.815 200,000 which we're happy with too of 00:10:23.839 --> 00:10:24.536 course. 00:10:24.560 --> 00:10:26.296 Okay, that's good. I'm glad you're happy 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:29.320 with that. Um, what about other 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:31.656 avenues for grant funding? Do you know 00:10:31.680 --> 00:10:33.495 of any others? Like, are there are there 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:36.519 many grants? It's not an area I know 00:10:36.560 --> 00:10:37.016 about. 00:10:37.040 --> 00:10:39.896 Um, well, because 00:10:39.920 --> 00:10:41.495 I'll take the risk. We're a bunch of old 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:42.776 guys here trying to get our tennis 00:10:42.800 --> 00:10:44.216 courts together. I mean, I was there in 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:47.240 1972 when they opened. Um, it it is a 00:10:47.760 --> 00:10:49.336 pretty arduous task to get it to this 00:10:49.360 --> 00:10:51.096 stage. We're certainly not going to be 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:53.336 able to deal with a committee situation. 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:54.935 So, that's kind of where we're at. 00:10:54.959 --> 00:10:57.255 All right. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. 00:10:57.279 --> 00:10:59.576 Yeah. Um, any further questions? 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:01.016 Yeah, just one, 00:11:01.040 --> 00:11:04.040 Mr. Rick. Just Yeah, 00:11:04.640 --> 00:11:06.696 sorry. Haven't had an encore before. 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:07.255 Yeah, 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:08.536 that bell was just to keep you on your 00:11:08.560 --> 00:11:08.776 feet. 00:11:08.800 --> 00:11:10.055 You can [laughter] 00:11:10.079 --> 00:11:11.495 you can thank me for the encore. 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:11.976 Thanks very much. 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.375 Maybe it's just one pair of hands. Um, 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:15.896 you've mapped a lot of this and you 00:11:15.920 --> 00:11:17.255 missed out on a whisick approval by 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:19.176 about one point, I believe, when they 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:21.255 were up up up 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:22.935 when you applied for it back in about 00:11:22.959 --> 00:11:25.959 2020. I I think you're right. I I'm not 00:11:27.040 --> 00:11:28.616 I wasn't involved then, but I think 00:11:28.640 --> 00:11:29.976 you're right because Luke out there told 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:31.176 me it was awfully close. 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:32.696 But basically, you've got a road map for 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:33.976 improvements. I'm led to believe this is 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:36.136 what Mayor Sheather and I would were 00:11:36.160 --> 00:11:38.856 given or ready to rock and roll. So, 00:11:38.880 --> 00:11:40.696 there is a plan what you want to do and 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:41.255 what you're trying to 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:43.176 Absolutely. And council also have a 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:44.456 plan. 00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:45.176 Yeah. Okay. 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:46.375 Yeah. I've been talking with Michelle 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:48.935 there. Um Michelle Inglehard there. 00:11:48.959 --> 00:11:51.336 They've done a feasibility study. We're 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:52.055 well on the way. 00:11:52.079 --> 00:11:54.296 Good. Thanks for your time tonight. 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:57.320 Okay. Thank you. 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:02.449 Thank you, councilors. Um 00:12:02.473 --> 00:12:03.416 [clears throat] 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:05.976 that that that we'll debate that matter 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:08.615 prior to this. sorry, we've got 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:11.639 another speaker on on the same matter. 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:17.096 Mr. Grace, sorry 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:20.120 Grant. 00:12:28.018 --> 00:12:28.136 [clears throat] 00:12:28.160 --> 00:12:31.160 We note the clock is not functioning. 00:12:32.880 --> 00:12:34.536 I could say I'm nervous, but that would 00:12:34.560 --> 00:12:37.176 be a porcupine to quote a phrase that I 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:38.856 learned from an extremely hardworking 00:12:38.880 --> 00:12:41.416 Windsor resident. You remember last 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:44.440 meeting you gave a honorary commendation 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:48.279 to Jan Bartley Jack. Her husband, the 00:12:48.800 --> 00:12:51.800 late Ian Jack, has the best 15 words 00:12:52.560 --> 00:12:54.536 that I have ever heard and I read them 00:12:54.560 --> 00:12:56.856 every two months for the last six years 00:12:56.880 --> 00:12:59.336 about Windsor. 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:01.495 First of all, I do consider it a 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:02.856 privilege to be here and I think 00:13:02.880 --> 00:13:05.096 probably the 400 that will manages 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:07.176 consider it a privilege and I really 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:09.896 suspect that all of you consider it a 00:13:09.920 --> 00:13:12.136 privilege. And what I suggest and I'm 00:13:12.160 --> 00:13:14.856 happy to say I think it's a privilege 00:13:14.880 --> 00:13:17.255 for me to suggest this and a privilege 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:20.279 for you to endorse it. Now the 15 words 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:22.935 I don't need to read them. I've 00:13:22.959 --> 00:13:25.959 memorized them. Old Windsor has suffered 00:13:27.680 --> 00:13:29.176 dreadfully. 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:32.200 Five, capped by 10 more. This is all a 00:13:33.839 --> 00:13:36.839 great pity. Chapter 7. This is This is 00:13:37.040 --> 00:13:39.656 all a great pity because Windsor 00:13:39.680 --> 00:13:42.680 deserves better. I do believe most of 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:45.720 you believe that. But he goes on to say, 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:48.055 "When you approach Windsor, you come 00:13:48.079 --> 00:13:51.079 over a high level bridge to McCra Street 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:54.200 which has been widened and with simple 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:57.480 brutality. You know it's ugly. But 00:13:57.519 --> 00:13:59.576 across the street there's something 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:02.600 splendid. Is it not the official 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:06.519 semiofficial entrance to Windsor?" I 00:14:06.880 --> 00:14:09.416 want to propose to you this phrase, 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:12.440 reclaim a name. Proclaim a name. The 00:14:14.399 --> 00:14:16.776 park across the street has had four 00:14:16.800 --> 00:14:19.016 names. 00:14:19.040 --> 00:14:22.040 But as as of many of you know a few on 00:14:23.839 --> 00:14:26.839 Friday a stone beautiful substantial 00:14:26.880 --> 00:14:29.880 stone wall has been placed 5 m long 00:14:30.959 --> 00:14:32.375 which we'd like to think lasts a 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:34.776 century. Hence my point. What should go 00:14:34.800 --> 00:14:37.656 on that? Yes, you could just opt out and 00:14:37.680 --> 00:14:40.680 do the mediocrity which would be say 00:14:41.040 --> 00:14:43.416 McUade Park. But given that that 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:46.440 splendid space has had four names, why 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:50.279 not do the highest standard which I like 00:14:51.199 --> 00:14:53.175 you to suggest I'd like to suggest to 00:14:53.199 --> 00:14:56.136 you. You will see in your documentation 00:14:56.160 --> 00:14:59.160 there. Not my idea, the council's 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:02.696 phrase. What was it called? Not only was 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:05.576 it called Church GReardon and Windsor Park 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:07.576 and what it is now, but its most 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:10.536 prestigious name. How can this not be 00:15:10.560 --> 00:15:13.560 the time? And I ask you to halt if there 00:15:14.079 --> 00:15:17.079 is a plan to a fix tomorrow um metal 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:19.416 letters to that. You say halt? Let us 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:22.440 ask the community. And what would we ask 00:15:22.560 --> 00:15:25.560 them? We'd say, well, given that our own 00:15:26.160 --> 00:15:29.016 documentation in various places says 00:15:29.040 --> 00:15:31.656 this was called, is this not beautiful? 00:15:31.680 --> 00:15:34.680 The great square. What's the pedigree? 00:15:35.760 --> 00:15:38.136 Some clerk 100 years ago came up with 00:15:38.160 --> 00:15:41.160 it. Lachlan McCra himself and he did 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:44.440 that 215 years ago and he walked it, he 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:48.136 created it, he measured it, he named it. 00:15:48.160 --> 00:15:50.375 How remarkable therefore and that's why 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:53.399 you have this page to not have that as 00:15:53.839 --> 00:15:56.615 the showstopper contrasting with the 00:15:56.639 --> 00:15:59.416 ugliness of 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:01.976 McCra Park when you come opposite where 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:04.935 we are right now. How would you not want 00:16:04.959 --> 00:16:07.576 to feature 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:10.600 the great square? I can provide research 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:13.639 to say this is the oldest and the finest 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:17.336 great square that the visionary 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:20.360 lacklurry or any colonial governor ever 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:25.000 created. There it is across the street. 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:27.896 I'd suggest that if you do this, it will 00:16:27.920 --> 00:16:30.920 show two things to the committees 00:16:31.279 --> 00:16:33.416 who the heritage committees that can't 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:36.375 be here that you're willing to ask them 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:38.615 and you're willing to say that we 11 or 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:41.255 10 are united in this. This would be a 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:43.896 unifying thing and to the new staff 00:16:43.920 --> 00:16:46.615 executive people will in his position 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:48.536 and Monica who comes from a good 00:16:48.560 --> 00:16:50.536 pedigree of Canada Bay doing beautiful 00:16:50.560 --> 00:16:53.560 things you'd be saying yes we cannot be 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:57.720 accused of which we people do of you 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:00.055 don't get it you don't get what the blue 00:17:00.079 --> 00:17:01.656 mountains does you don't get what the 00:17:01.680 --> 00:17:04.216 Tasmania does which is there is the link 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:06.775 between enhancing every way possible 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:09.799 historic character and boosting economy 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:13.079 the tourist economy. I close by saying, 00:17:13.360 --> 00:17:15.895 doesn't it make the hair stand up on the 00:17:15.919 --> 00:17:18.216 back of your neck to think that when you 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:20.295 go home tonight, if you go to that 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:23.319 footpath and you were alive 215 years 00:17:23.919 --> 00:17:26.919 ago, you would see Lachlan McCra. Not 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:31.400 maybe. That's where he was. He didn't 00:17:31.520 --> 00:17:33.816 sign a decree. He came out here. He came 00:17:33.840 --> 00:17:36.840 out here in 19 20, excuse me, 1810 and 00:17:37.679 --> 00:17:40.679 1811. So why not seize this opportunity 00:17:41.600 --> 00:17:44.600 to do something that is frankly I quote 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:46.856 the person who's who assists so much in 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:49.336 this and did much of this work which is 00:17:49.360 --> 00:17:51.736 null bridge who is an owner restorer of 00:17:51.760 --> 00:17:54.760 the 1840s former in up the street. It 00:17:54.880 --> 00:17:56.296 would be magnificent. 00:17:56.320 --> 00:17:57.096 Thanks Grant. 00:17:57.120 --> 00:17:59.336 Thank you. 00:17:59.360 --> 00:18:02.056 counc 00:18:02.080 --> 00:18:05.080 grant you've had a great idea. 00:18:05.840 --> 00:18:07.655 Well done. Well, thank you so much, but 00:18:07.679 --> 00:18:09.976 recall it isn't me. The council's own 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:12.856 documentation, page after page. This is 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:14.136 the great square. 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:15.655 So, before you leave the lect turn, let 00:18:15.679 --> 00:18:17.816 me ask you, is it your opinion that if 00:18:17.840 --> 00:18:20.376 we wanted to give effect to this change 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:22.696 that we would have to go through the 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:25.720 bureaucratic process of changing its 00:18:26.080 --> 00:18:27.416 name and gazetting it through the 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:29.816 geographical names board? That's a great 00:18:29.840 --> 00:18:32.136 um um thought because in the past the 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:35.160 council did change the name. The sole 00:18:36.080 --> 00:18:38.936 brother if we'll say hundred plus years 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:40.535 ago of [clears throat] Donald Trump was 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:43.336 a man named Mcuade who now that you've 00:18:43.360 --> 00:18:46.360 asked did a bit of slight of hand. He 00:18:47.280 --> 00:18:50.280 voted as a counselor to have even four 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:52.856 four and four against to call it after 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:55.336 himself. And then he stepped back and 00:18:55.360 --> 00:18:58.056 then as the Australian has the hilarious 00:18:58.080 --> 00:19:00.616 account of the Australian newspaper as a 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:03.176 he came in again as the mayor and used 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:04.936 his casting vote to name it after 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:07.576 himself. Then when the council rescended 00:19:07.600 --> 00:19:10.216 it and called it Windsor Park, which 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:13.240 is what it was gazetted as, he came back 00:19:13.360 --> 00:19:16.056 mayor at another term, and rescended the 00:19:16.080 --> 00:19:19.080 rescending and called it McUade Park. So 00:19:20.080 --> 00:19:22.056 decide, do you want to have the first 00:19:22.080 --> 00:19:24.936 class Australian generosity of Lachlury, 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:27.096 that visionary, or do you want to go do 00:19:27.120 --> 00:19:30.120 a replica of frankly the the Donald 00:19:31.760 --> 00:19:32.936 question is yes. Thank you. 00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:35.256 Thank you so much. seize the 00:19:35.280 --> 00:19:38.280 opportunity. 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:44.936 Thank you, councilors. the matter 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:47.576 before us is the operational plant um on 00:19:47.600 --> 00:19:50.600 page 19 10.2.1. Could I have a motion, 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:52.376 please? 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:54.296 I'll move the recommendations. I'll 00:19:54.320 --> 00:19:56.136 second it. 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:59.160 Councelor Reardon, Councelor Veigel, 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:10.039 any speakers against 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:15.960 Mr. 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:19.960 Council, 00:20:21.679 --> 00:20:23.496 did someone else have the light on? 00:20:23.520 --> 00:20:25.416 Yeah, 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:26.856 just just a question through you, Mr. 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:28.535 Mayor. If I play just can we just come 00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:29.816 back to the Richmond tennis courts and 00:20:29.840 --> 00:20:30.936 the operational plan? I think there's 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:32.696 200,000 allocated for maintenance for 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:34.456 the next year. 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:37.480 Um, 00:20:37.520 --> 00:20:39.336 we've got a timeline where that might 00:20:39.360 --> 00:20:42.360 might start and if if so, can we work 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:45.480 with the representatives of um 00:20:45.679 --> 00:20:47.655 of the or of the committee or management 00:20:47.679 --> 00:20:49.256 or whoever? I know it's a little bit 00:20:49.280 --> 00:20:50.936 complex cuz the third party involved in 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:53.816 here, but we can get a biggest bang for 00:20:53.840 --> 00:20:56.696 the buck because it desperately needs 00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:58.456 TLC. Y 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:01.480 if we could please. Thank you. 00:21:02.159 --> 00:21:04.616 Yeah, the there's been a lot of 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:06.296 discussion with the staff in relation to 00:21:06.320 --> 00:21:09.096 the opportunities that may create the 00:21:09.120 --> 00:21:11.096 best opportunity to to get that work 00:21:11.120 --> 00:21:13.336 done and there's people still working 00:21:13.360 --> 00:21:16.360 hard at it. 00:21:16.960 --> 00:21:18.616 Have we got any idea at the moment when 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:20.616 the works may commence? I suspect it 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:22.216 wouldn't be wrong on the 1st of July, 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:24.456 dare I say, because it needs it needs to 00:21:24.480 --> 00:21:26.135 be some thought, but if the money's put 00:21:26.159 --> 00:21:28.696 in the right direction with the 90,000 00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:30.936 that may may be forthcoming if that was 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:33.496 the case. I' I'd just like to point out 00:21:33.520 --> 00:21:35.096 I think Tennis Australia goes a dollar 00:21:35.120 --> 00:21:38.056 for dollar for each grant too 00:21:38.080 --> 00:21:40.135 eventually. But I but I would also 00:21:40.159 --> 00:21:41.655 encourage, if I may, through you, Mr. 00:21:41.679 --> 00:21:43.816 may to encourage the the the people who 00:21:43.840 --> 00:21:45.655 represent the the Richmond tennis court 00:21:45.679 --> 00:21:47.256 that maybe they should get association 00:21:47.280 --> 00:21:50.135 with the sports council because they can 00:21:50.159 --> 00:21:51.655 help a great deal when it comes for 00:21:51.679 --> 00:21:53.096 grants and stuff like that and assist 00:21:53.120 --> 00:21:54.775 council in that manner. But that's just 00:21:54.799 --> 00:21:57.496 a recommendation from nothing. 00:21:57.520 --> 00:21:58.856 yeah, through you Mr. Mayor. Look, 00:21:58.880 --> 00:22:00.216 it's it's always a balancing act in 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:02.296 terms of um proceeding with expenditure 00:22:02.320 --> 00:22:04.775 given that funds or projects indeed 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:06.135 already commenced generally aren't 00:22:06.159 --> 00:22:08.216 eligible for grant funding. Um, so 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:09.976 before we launch headlong into it, and 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:11.496 the intention always was to try and 00:22:11.520 --> 00:22:13.256 identify a dollar for-doll grant to 00:22:13.280 --> 00:22:16.135 leverage that $200,000 into a $400,000 00:22:16.159 --> 00:22:17.816 project. If that's not looking likely, 00:22:17.840 --> 00:22:19.336 then we'll forge ahead with doing what 00:22:19.360 --> 00:22:22.360 we can with the council's contribution. 00:22:23.600 --> 00:22:25.496 The council Zenro. 00:22:25.520 --> 00:22:28.520 thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, 00:22:30.159 --> 00:22:32.535 I also thoroughly endorse Frank's 00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:33.976 suggestion and I thank Frank for coming 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:36.296 in and talking about the Richmond 00:22:36.320 --> 00:22:39.320 Tennis Center. I think it um does need 00:22:40.080 --> 00:22:42.296 some more attention. I was interested to 00:22:42.320 --> 00:22:45.320 learn and I did not know that this 00:22:46.159 --> 00:22:47.655 tennis court or several of our other 00:22:47.679 --> 00:22:49.816 tennis courts fall under the wing of the 00:22:49.840 --> 00:22:51.576 sports council and I rather think that 00:22:51.600 --> 00:22:53.816 that feels like an anacronism to me and 00:22:53.840 --> 00:22:55.416 I I would have hoped that all of our 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:57.336 sporting facilities 00:22:57.360 --> 00:22:59.416 um had the ability to be represented and 00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:02.440 managed through the sports council. So I 00:23:02.799 --> 00:23:05.336 was engaged in that conversation you 00:23:05.360 --> 00:23:07.096 having in the foyer, Mr. the mayor and I 00:23:07.120 --> 00:23:08.696 I I hope that the threat of that is 00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:11.720 taken up. Um I'd also like to um ask 00:23:13.679 --> 00:23:14.535 through [clears throat] you, Mr. Mayor, 00:23:14.559 --> 00:23:17.096 the general manager. Um what would the 00:23:17.120 --> 00:23:20.120 mechanics be of changing the name of 00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:23.720 McUade Park to Windsor Great Square? 00:23:24.159 --> 00:23:26.616 Would it require the geographical names 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:28.775 board process? Would that be expensive 00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:31.799 or long-winded? 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:34.056 Um through you, you miss me. The the the 00:23:34.080 --> 00:23:35.576 first thing I'd say is that the the sign 00:23:35.600 --> 00:23:37.736 is intended as a Windsor entrance sign. 00:23:37.760 --> 00:23:39.655 So the sign isn't McUade Park or any 00:23:39.679 --> 00:23:41.576 other park. It's Windsor. Um so it's 00:23:41.600 --> 00:23:44.456 announcing to um visitors the arrival to 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:47.256 to Windsor as the destination. Um with 00:23:47.280 --> 00:23:49.816 respect to the question of of renaming 00:23:49.840 --> 00:23:52.696 um the process that we have recently 00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:54.456 undertaken for instance for Fernadol 00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:56.535 Park um I would imagine would be the one 00:23:56.559 --> 00:23:58.056 that we would have to follow um 00:23:58.080 --> 00:24:00.775 including various consultation um with 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:02.696 members of the public as and and the 00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:05.720 check through the G&B um naming policy. 00:24:07.760 --> 00:24:10.135 So follow up. So the the proposed 00:24:10.159 --> 00:24:13.159 wording to go on those sandstone blocks 00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:15.096 has been settled. What is the current 00:24:15.120 --> 00:24:17.895 proposed wording? 00:24:17.919 --> 00:24:20.919 Windsor along with um 00:24:22.320 --> 00:24:24.135 Bular Narang which to my great shame I 00:24:24.159 --> 00:24:26.376 can't recall nor find the um translation 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:26.856 of. 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:28.936 All right then. So Windsor and then the 00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:31.255 Aboriginal name. Okay. I didn't know 00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:34.279 that. Um, 00:24:35.200 --> 00:24:37.015 I'll be voting against the adoption of 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:38.856 the operational plan and the associated 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:41.880 documents because one, it includes a 00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:44.856 further ratification of the SRV, which I 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:47.576 did not support. But beyond that, um, 00:24:47.600 --> 00:24:49.176 I'd like to point out a couple of things 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:52.200 that I think don't meet the community's 00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:54.135 expectations about the way that we 00:24:54.159 --> 00:24:57.159 report um, our operational status or our 00:24:57.200 --> 00:24:59.336 long-term financial plan. And I'd 00:24:59.360 --> 00:25:01.096 mentioned this in discussion with some 00:25:01.120 --> 00:25:02.456 of my colleagues, but I'll I'll bring 00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:04.856 that into the chamber now. There is 00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:07.255 nothing in, for example, the long-term 00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:08.775 financial plan document, which is 00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:11.655 otherwise an excellent document that 00:25:11.679 --> 00:25:13.336 says anything about council's level of 00:25:13.360 --> 00:25:16.360 debt. You've got to dig really deeply 00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:20.039 into some of those particular tables to 00:25:20.080 --> 00:25:22.535 see any indication of the quantum of 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:25.176 debt that council carries. There are 00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:26.856 various references to our borrowing 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:29.880 costs or our our debt servicing ratio 00:25:30.320 --> 00:25:32.936 which are also relevant metrics but 00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:35.960 there is nothing to tell us or the the 00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:39.480 voting public the quantum of debt that 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:42.216 council carries the way that that debt 00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:44.056 is allocated because there is such a 00:25:44.080 --> 00:25:45.895 thing as responsible debt. Debt that's 00:25:45.919 --> 00:25:47.976 applied to a purpose for capital 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:49.576 improvement is a a badge of 00:25:49.600 --> 00:25:52.535 responsibility. No objection there. 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:54.696 There's nothing to indicate how our 00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:57.720 level of debt has changed over the years 00:25:57.919 --> 00:26:00.775 or measures up against our demographic 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:03.799 or geographic peers and nothing that 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:06.616 indicates in a clear way what the 00:26:06.640 --> 00:26:09.176 projected debt will be. Now again, there 00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:11.736 is there is the echo of some of those 00:26:11.760 --> 00:26:13.895 things in some of the figures that 00:26:13.919 --> 00:26:15.976 appear in the long-term financial plan. 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:18.535 I'm simply saying that for people who 00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:21.015 were interested enough to pick up such 00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:23.176 an obscure and dusty document as 00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:25.576 council's long-term financial plan, I 00:26:25.600 --> 00:26:27.576 suspect that they would appreciate a 00:26:27.600 --> 00:26:29.576 one-page summary with an attractive 00:26:29.600 --> 00:26:31.655 infographic that draws together the 00:26:31.679 --> 00:26:34.216 relevant information and presents it in 00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:36.936 a way that's easily digestible. I do not 00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:38.936 share the view that was expressed by 00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:40.456 some of my colleagues is that if we 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:42.296 publish those figures, it would simply 00:26:42.320 --> 00:26:44.775 form grist for the mill and a source of 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:47.799 future dissension. I trust the voting 00:26:47.919 --> 00:26:50.919 public to be able to take facts and to 00:26:51.679 --> 00:26:54.679 discuss facts in a civil and mature way. 00:26:56.080 --> 00:26:59.080 So, um I flag that as a a potential and 00:27:00.080 --> 00:27:02.696 future improvement to the way that we 00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:04.296 present this kind of information. I 00:27:04.320 --> 00:27:07.320 think it's a sensible thing. Um, thank 00:27:07.520 --> 00:27:10.520 you, Mr. Mayor. 00:27:15.600 --> 00:27:18.056 Thank you, U Mr. Mayor. I've just 00:27:18.080 --> 00:27:19.816 Sorry, Councelor Ryan had his light on. 00:27:19.840 --> 00:27:21.496 Oh, sorry. Sorry. 00:27:21.520 --> 00:27:23.895 My apologies. I was going to ask a 00:27:23.919 --> 00:27:25.655 question that it has been answered. 00:27:25.679 --> 00:27:26.616 Thanks. 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:28.856 But I do have a second one in relation 00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:31.496 to this. It may help me. Um the service 00:27:31.520 --> 00:27:33.096 level agreement with the sports council 00:27:33.120 --> 00:27:35.176 has that been issue been resolved as 00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:38.200 yet. 00:27:39.120 --> 00:27:41.816 Um I can say from last night the sports 00:27:41.840 --> 00:27:44.840 council resolve to meet with council 00:27:45.840 --> 00:27:48.535 staff to sign off on that. I don't 00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:49.976 believe that this that's actually 00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:53.000 happened at this stage. It has it hasn't 00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:55.416 but it was resolved last night that that 00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:55.976 happened. 00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:58.296 Will that be been signed off by the 00:27:58.320 --> 00:27:59.816 end of this financial year? Can you make 00:27:59.840 --> 00:28:00.696 a commitment to that? 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:02.216 It'll be signed off as soon as I can 00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:03.736 make arrangements for council staff to 00:28:03.760 --> 00:28:04.296 do so 00:28:04.320 --> 00:28:06.856 before the end of this financial year. 00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:09.880 Thank you, 00:28:09.919 --> 00:28:11.176 Council Lines Bucket. 00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:13.176 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, I just had a 00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:16.056 few questions um before we start just a 00:28:16.080 --> 00:28:18.936 bit of clarity um around a few things 00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:20.775 that have been raised by people in the 00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:23.096 public. If I could just do those 00:28:23.120 --> 00:28:26.120 before I speak. Um I'm just wondering if 00:28:26.399 --> 00:28:29.399 we could have for the public's benefit a 00:28:29.600 --> 00:28:32.600 brief explanation of the 2.5% 00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:35.960 um additional special variation that was 00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:39.736 um in 2022 00:28:39.760 --> 00:28:41.496 if that could just be explained to the 00:28:41.520 --> 00:28:44.135 public. Thank you. 00:28:44.159 --> 00:28:46.056 yeah through you Mr. Mayor. This was 00:28:46.080 --> 00:28:49.080 a one-off process um offered by iPart in 00:28:49.520 --> 00:28:52.135 response to unusually low rate pegs that 00:28:52.159 --> 00:28:54.696 were set during the CO 19 pandemic and 00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:56.856 around 86 councils applied and were 00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:59.655 approved for small additional rate rises 00:28:59.679 --> 00:29:01.496 essentially to match the expected rate 00:29:01.520 --> 00:29:03.895 pegs at the time. 00:29:03.919 --> 00:29:06.456 Thank you. So essentially as Yeah, we 00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:08.616 had to we had to apply for that. What 00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:11.336 were those funds utilized for for? They 00:29:11.360 --> 00:29:13.015 weren't for specific projects, were 00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:14.535 they? They weren't for any individual 00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:16.216 projects just to maintain our current 00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:18.296 service levels. Our rate peg granted was 00:29:18.320 --> 00:29:21.320 08% um and we budgeted for 2.5 which is 00:29:21.760 --> 00:29:23.576 what we asked I part for as part of the 00:29:23.600 --> 00:29:25.496 application. 00:29:25.520 --> 00:29:27.736 Thank you. So it was filling a gap so 00:29:27.760 --> 00:29:29.976 that we could cover costs essentially. 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.000 Thank you. Um, did the iPart assessment 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:36.535 that was done I've read it and I 00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:39.559 believe it says that council complied 00:29:39.679 --> 00:29:41.736 with the reporting requirements for the 00:29:41.760 --> 00:29:44.760 2018 2019 SRV. I've read all the 00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:48.039 reports. Can you confirm that that was 00:29:48.320 --> 00:29:51.320 both that the SRV was um [clears throat] 00:29:51.919 --> 00:29:54.375 completed and the reporting well not 00:29:54.399 --> 00:29:55.736 completed because the 10 years hasn't 00:29:55.760 --> 00:29:57.895 finished but the that that was um 00:29:57.919 --> 00:29:59.255 reported adequately. 00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:01.255 That's correct. 00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:02.535 Correct. 00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:05.559 Thank you. the other question I had 00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:09.895 um could we have a brief summary of how 00:30:09.919 --> 00:30:11.976 the information relating to works 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:14.056 carried out with funds from the current 00:30:14.080 --> 00:30:17.080 SRV will be presented so that the public 00:30:17.840 --> 00:30:20.840 can be u sure that we will keep up to 00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:23.096 date with how and where the funds are 00:30:23.120 --> 00:30:25.176 being spent. I know I know it's 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:26.856 mentioned in the business paper but if 00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:28.856 you could give a summary of that please. 00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:31.015 Yeah absolutely. So council has 00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:32.856 produced a totally separate budget model 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:35.255 to track all of the revenue from the SRV 00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:38.279 as it comes in. The program that's 00:30:38.399 --> 00:30:40.535 dedicated to the SRV will be separately 00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:42.456 documented in the operational plan as it 00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:44.456 is tonight and will be reported on as 00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:46.456 such through the annual report and also 00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:48.296 through a new page on our website called 00:30:48.320 --> 00:30:50.216 delivering local projects which will 00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:52.456 have a dedicated SRV section where all 00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:53.736 of the projects as they're being 00:30:53.760 --> 00:30:55.176 completed will be documented and 00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:56.616 reported on. 00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:59.640 So just sorry not to labor the point but 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:02.936 what would be the frequency would that 00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:05.176 be like a list of what's going to happen 00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:08.056 and then the status of that particular 00:31:08.080 --> 00:31:08.775 project? 00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:11.015 Yep. So as those projects are are 00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:12.535 commenced they'll be added to that 00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:14.856 website section reported on on there. In 00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:16.456 terms of just getting that information 00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:18.535 out there and then from a more formal 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:20.135 point of view our annual report as 00:31:20.159 --> 00:31:21.816 required will have every project that 00:31:21.840 --> 00:31:23.416 was delivered throughout the year 00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:26.216 relating to the SRV funds. Thank you for 00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:29.017 that and sorry a final question. Um 00:31:29.041 --> 00:31:30.775 [clears throat] the salage I've just 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:32.135 want to check that I have this right. 00:31:32.159 --> 00:31:33.895 When I read in it I didn't send through 00:31:33.919 --> 00:31:36.856 a question. Apologies. Um the salage 00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:39.880 rate for 2526 was 3,447 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:43.976 for the an annual fee for the 00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:47.000 fortnightly collection and this year is 00:31:47.120 --> 00:31:50.120 $3,199 00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:52.856 which is a slightly less than 5% 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:55.880 increase. Is that um due to the new 00:31:56.399 --> 00:31:59.399 contract or um is that a cost recovery? 00:32:00.159 --> 00:32:02.616 just to understand that increase 00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:03.895 through you Mr. Mayor. It's a 00:32:03.919 --> 00:32:05.816 combination of a number of things. So 00:32:05.840 --> 00:32:07.976 the new contract has actually delivered 00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:09.895 a slight saving on where we would have 00:32:09.919 --> 00:32:12.919 been with the um the the option had 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:16.135 council decided to exercise its option. 00:32:16.159 --> 00:32:18.936 Um we've seen a significant increase in 00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:21.960 fuel costs of course um since March 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:23.816 which has weighed into it. Um and we're 00:32:23.840 --> 00:32:26.840 also seeing a very very minor um 00:32:27.600 --> 00:32:30.600 increase in the cost of um 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:34.200 testing um of the effluent of the of 00:32:36.159 --> 00:32:38.535 the salage um that was used to be 00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:41.336 absorbed by the sewage um business now 00:32:41.360 --> 00:32:43.015 that the devest the disposal will be 00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:44.456 going to a Sydney water facility not 00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:45.976 council's facility that cost shifts 00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:47.976 across into the salage. So there's a 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:49.816 there's a um monitoring and compliance 00:32:49.840 --> 00:32:51.336 costs associated with that which is very 00:32:51.360 --> 00:32:52.616 minor. 00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:54.375 Okay. Thank thank you for that 00:32:54.399 --> 00:32:57.399 explanation. Um I'll speak in favor, 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:01.000 Mr. Mayor, of the recommendation. Um I'm 00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:04.440 actually quite surprised that um nobody 00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:07.015 has come tonight to to speak to us about 00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:09.976 the SRV. Um 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:12.296 given the online outrage and 00:33:12.320 --> 00:33:14.936 condemnation of this council in in our 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:17.495 financial management, I would have 00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:19.895 expected that somebody would have, you 00:33:19.919 --> 00:33:22.775 know, come and tried to justify such 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:25.176 condemnation um [clears throat] towards 00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:28.200 us. But regardless, I'm very thankful to 00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:31.495 those who made submissions on the 00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:34.375 operational plan. if you've read the 00:33:34.399 --> 00:33:36.375 business paper, you will see many of 00:33:36.399 --> 00:33:38.936 them were relating to the Turbo Oval 00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:41.736 project. Um a few of them were 00:33:41.760 --> 00:33:43.655 statebased matters which will be 00:33:43.679 --> 00:33:46.056 referred onward to people for that to be 00:33:46.080 --> 00:33:49.080 dealt with. Um and we do appreciate 00:33:49.919 --> 00:33:52.919 the feedback that comes in on the 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:55.096 plan and of course we've had the two 00:33:55.120 --> 00:33:56.936 speakers tonight who've raised issues 00:33:56.960 --> 00:33:59.960 that they want us to consider. Um I I 00:34:00.399 --> 00:34:02.456 don't know if we can make decisions on 00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:04.696 those on the spot, but we've certainly 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:06.456 committed I think to further 00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:08.615 discussions around that and to 00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:11.335 supporting um you know looking at those 00:34:11.359 --> 00:34:14.359 things. Um the I I've had a change the 00:34:16.240 --> 00:34:19.095 past few years. I've not been supportive 00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:22.119 of the operational plan in large part 00:34:22.240 --> 00:34:24.936 because of the inclusion of $4 million 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:27.736 of rateayers fund which was being 00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:29.895 used to secure additional west invest 00:34:29.919 --> 00:34:32.919 money in the last council term. I 00:34:33.520 --> 00:34:35.095 think everybody except councelor Wheeler 00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:37.016 and I voted to use that money to get 00:34:37.040 --> 00:34:40.040 more state funding but I never supported 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:41.655 that because I didn't think it was a 00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:44.375 prudent use of rateayer money. But what 00:34:44.399 --> 00:34:46.615 we can see in the report before us is 00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:48.776 that the additional money that was being 00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:51.256 put towards it is being removed and 00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:53.256 utilized for several key infrastructure 00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:56.280 projects while the amount from the west 00:34:56.399 --> 00:34:58.616 invest I'll call it west invest I 00:34:58.640 --> 00:35:00.856 know it's got another name can still 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:03.575 carry out the upgra the upgrades 00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:05.815 outlined in the report. So there will 00:35:05.839 --> 00:35:08.839 still be work done at Turbo Oval, but I 00:35:09.359 --> 00:35:11.335 think it's the covered seating and one 00:35:11.359 --> 00:35:13.815 other um aspect of the project that 00:35:13.839 --> 00:35:16.055 can't be done, although that will of 00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:18.136 course be ready, I assume, so that if we 00:35:18.160 --> 00:35:20.376 can access further funding or any form 00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:22.536 of developer contribution, that can be 00:35:22.560 --> 00:35:25.560 done in the in the future. So to me, 00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:28.376 that's a satisfactory outcome. for 00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:31.176 example, the $994,000 00:35:31.200 --> 00:35:33.896 allocated for rehabilitation works to Ra 00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:36.536 Racecourse Road is very much needed, as 00:35:36.560 --> 00:35:39.560 is the swing renewal at Mat Park. I know 00:35:39.680 --> 00:35:42.680 these will all be welcome projects. 00:35:42.720 --> 00:35:44.216 Um, 00:35:44.240 --> 00:35:46.936 I got a lot of notes. I'm just going to 00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:49.896 pick out some things here. 00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.856 What I wanted to say was when I've 00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:55.880 looked through supporting the SRV, which 00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:58.920 is like quite frankly I I don't want to 00:35:59.040 --> 00:36:00.936 pay any more for rates either, just like 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:03.496 everybody. Um, nobody enjoys paying 00:36:03.520 --> 00:36:05.896 more, but the reality is that the costs 00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:08.296 are rising across every part of our 00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:10.456 economy from construction and materials 00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:13.335 to costs of labor, insurance, energy, 00:36:13.359 --> 00:36:15.656 etc. And local government's not immune 00:36:15.680 --> 00:36:18.376 to those cost increases. So I think that 00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:20.536 we've done a very good job at coming up 00:36:20.560 --> 00:36:23.560 with how we can minimize the impacts 00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:26.216 on the community while delivering some 00:36:26.240 --> 00:36:28.376 tangible improvements 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:31.095 because delaying the investment today 00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:33.016 means leaving growing backlogs and 00:36:33.040 --> 00:36:34.776 bigger problems for those who come after 00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.095 us. There's been a resistance over the 00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:39.815 years to regularly draw in a little 00:36:39.839 --> 00:36:42.536 extra income. So we haven't done that 00:36:42.560 --> 00:36:44.376 and that's contributed to the growing 00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:47.400 infrastructure backlog. a backlog being 00:36:47.680 --> 00:36:49.976 when assets needing renewal each year 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:51.976 exceed the amount the council can afford 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:54.456 to renew. So aging infrastructure, 00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:57.176 natural disasters, cost escalations, 00:36:57.200 --> 00:36:59.976 etc. all contribute to that backlog 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.856 existing. [bell] What I'd like people to 00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:05.496 do would be to really read the 00:37:05.520 --> 00:37:07.976 information that is in these reports and 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:10.616 in the part report. It's very 00:37:10.640 --> 00:37:12.536 comprehensive. It's not actually 00:37:12.560 --> 00:37:14.936 difficult reading. If you read through 00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:17.416 it, all the information we so often 00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:20.216 stand accused of not providing is 00:37:20.240 --> 00:37:23.095 actually in there. You just have to read 00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:25.335 through it. It I don't know that it's 00:37:25.359 --> 00:37:27.416 overly complex when it's set out into 00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:30.440 sections, but we we really also need to 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:34.119 acknowledge um that we do suffer from 00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:37.335 cost shifting. We suffer from big gaps 00:37:37.359 --> 00:37:40.359 that develop from um inadequate funding, 00:37:40.560 --> 00:37:42.376 particularly through the financial 00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:43.896 assistance grants from the federal 00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:45.815 government only being half what they 00:37:45.839 --> 00:37:48.055 used to be and cost shifting from the 00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:51.079 New South Wales government including 00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:53.575 not not a big return on our waste 00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:56.599 levy we pay and various other things. 00:37:57.200 --> 00:37:59.402 Um 00:37:59.426 --> 00:38:01.335 [bell] 00:38:01.359 --> 00:38:02.136 you that's it. 00:38:02.160 --> 00:38:05.160 Thank you, councelor. [clears throat] 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:07.575 councelor. 00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:10.376 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, I'd just like 00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:13.176 to start by asking a few questions to 00:38:13.200 --> 00:38:15.095 follow through, 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:17.176 excuse [clears throat] me, on um some of 00:38:17.200 --> 00:38:19.416 the things that council on lines bucket 00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:21.736 was um asking. 00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:23.575 One of the things that troubled me a lot 00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:26.599 about the the public commentary around 00:38:26.640 --> 00:38:28.616 the SRV 00:38:28.640 --> 00:38:31.640 um was that people wanted a list of 00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:35.800 things that they were going um to to to 00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:39.800 get. And um at the time of the SRV, we 00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:43.880 were trying to explain um that it was 00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:48.280 best to not have a list that we commit 00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:51.400 to because we um by committing to a list 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:54.856 um with all of the changes that happen 00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:57.880 in in a in the life of a project. Um 00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:00.376 it's very hard to to stick to some of 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:02.456 those commitments. 00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:05.480 So my question um through you, Mr. Mayor 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:09.000 was in the new um website on the new 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:11.976 website page. 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:15.000 Um when we list the projects that we are 00:39:15.040 --> 00:39:18.040 going to do with just the SRV money 00:39:19.040 --> 00:39:22.040 um how often is that going to be 00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:24.216 reviewed? 00:39:24.240 --> 00:39:27.240 Because when we were um talking about 00:39:28.720 --> 00:39:30.536 this, you know, not having a list and 00:39:30.560 --> 00:39:32.696 just sort of trying to be nimble and go 00:39:32.720 --> 00:39:35.720 from, you know, do do what we could with 00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:38.696 the money um that we had at the time and 00:39:38.720 --> 00:39:41.720 with price rises. Um 3 months it was it 00:39:43.359 --> 00:39:45.575 was quoted I think you said um Mr. 00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:48.136 Bartner that it really changed every 3 00:39:48.160 --> 00:39:51.160 months. So we can we expect that on that 00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:53.095 website? 00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:55.016 Manager through through you, Mr. Mayor. 00:39:55.040 --> 00:39:58.040 Um the intention is to populate the 00:39:58.240 --> 00:40:01.095 project um list the project project part 00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:03.095 of that website um on the adoption of 00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:05.656 the annual works capital works program 00:40:05.680 --> 00:40:07.335 and then identify those projects 00:40:07.359 --> 00:40:09.176 which are extensively funded by the SRV 00:40:09.200 --> 00:40:10.936 or have some element of contribution 00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:13.575 from the SRV and then project updates 00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:15.976 made regularly as projects commence as 00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:19.000 they progress and so forth. Um, we're 00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:21.815 still reviewing the extent to which we 00:40:21.839 --> 00:40:24.839 identify a longerterm program without 00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:27.416 specific years attached to to particular 00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:29.976 projects. Um, but I do stress and you 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:31.656 know we're we're living through it right 00:40:31.680 --> 00:40:33.496 now where in the past 3 months we've 00:40:33.520 --> 00:40:36.456 seen escalations on construction costs 00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:39.480 between 10 and 25% which have a 00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:41.176 significant bearing on what it is that 00:40:41.200 --> 00:40:42.776 we can actually deliver. So it's it's 00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.800 it's it's about balancing 00:40:45.839 --> 00:40:48.616 um the as you pointed out the the need 00:40:48.640 --> 00:40:50.696 for transparency versus acknowledging 00:40:50.720 --> 00:40:52.696 that there is it is a very dynamic 00:40:52.720 --> 00:40:54.696 situation that we're in. Um and that's 00:40:54.720 --> 00:40:56.376 before we consider the need from time to 00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:58.936 time to prioritize um in response to how 00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:00.936 particularly in our road network how our 00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:02.536 road network is responding to the 00:41:02.560 --> 00:41:05.256 weather to traffic demands um and so 00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:07.016 forth. And that is the exercise I think 00:41:07.040 --> 00:41:08.776 I was referring to about kind of three 00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:11.176 monthly is that each quarter we we do 00:41:11.200 --> 00:41:13.095 have have a a look at that element of 00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:15.896 the program. Um and and it may be that 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:17.416 we do prioritize projects which 00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:19.095 otherwise weren't in the capital works 00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:20.295 program for that year because they have 00:41:20.319 --> 00:41:22.456 the greatest need. 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:24.536 that. Thank you for that because I think 00:41:24.560 --> 00:41:27.560 um that's that's one of the things that 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:29.896 well there were a there was a lot of 00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:32.920 commentary um over the SIB but but that 00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:36.456 that particular thing that people felt 00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:39.480 like they needed a list a definite list 00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:41.575 that you know 00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:44.599 set in stone and I think that if we can 00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.880 get that um that website right and 00:41:48.319 --> 00:41:51.319 possibly even um I don't know whether 00:41:51.359 --> 00:41:54.359 you have designed this into it but the 00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:56.696 reasons why when something changes 00:41:56.720 --> 00:41:59.016 dramatically just you know in a corner 00:41:59.040 --> 00:42:01.976 have the reasons for that because I 00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:04.295 think people don't quite understand that 00:42:04.319 --> 00:42:05.896 um you know there's all sorts of 00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:08.616 constraints on projects I mean even work 00:42:08.640 --> 00:42:10.536 workforce shortages you know we just 00:42:10.560 --> 00:42:12.216 can't get people to do the work all of 00:42:12.240 --> 00:42:14.376 this sort of stuff it's quite complex so 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:16.776 that would be a really good opportunity 00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:19.575 to I think do it simply I mean I don't I 00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:21.256 don't want it to be too busy 00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:23.416 Um but that I think that would help 00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:25.815 people um understand 00:42:25.839 --> 00:42:28.216 about you know how how this is going 00:42:28.240 --> 00:42:31.240 to be be worked out. I'm I'm really 00:42:31.520 --> 00:42:34.520 looking forward to um seeing some of 00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:37.880 these backlogs and this maintenance done 00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:41.480 because when you think about it um 00:42:43.699 --> 00:42:44.936 [clears throat] excuse me, one of the 00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:47.960 most um I guess noticeable and important 00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:52.696 pieces of infrastructure 00:42:52.720 --> 00:42:55.176 are our roads. And people have been 00:42:55.200 --> 00:42:56.696 telling us that roads are the most 00:42:56.720 --> 00:42:59.720 important thing um that they want their 00:42:59.920 --> 00:43:02.920 money spent on. Um so I think yeah I 00:43:03.040 --> 00:43:05.095 think it's going to be be wonderful and 00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:06.936 I I'll be I'll be looking at that 00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:09.960 website all the time probably. Um 00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:13.800 the the um gosh gone out of my mind. 00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:16.136 There was another thing I was going to 00:43:16.160 --> 00:43:19.160 say. Oh yes. Um in terms of reporting 00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:23.095 to I iPart 00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:26.119 um does that is that every year? So this 00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:29.480 is a a yearly thing specifically 00:43:31.200 --> 00:43:33.335 through Mr. May we don't report to 00:43:33.359 --> 00:43:36.359 iPod per se. The requirement on us 00:43:36.720 --> 00:43:39.335 through the approval is to include um 00:43:39.359 --> 00:43:41.176 reporting on the project outcomes or the 00:43:41.200 --> 00:43:43.095 outcomes associated with the SRV in our 00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:43.815 annual report 00:43:43.839 --> 00:43:46.839 report. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. 00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:49.656 Yeah, deputy mayor. 00:43:49.680 --> 00:43:52.136 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. first of all, 00:43:52.160 --> 00:43:53.416 I'd like to thank our speakers. Oh, 00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:55.736 they've left. Some of them turned 00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:57.815 around. Not all, [laughter] 00:43:57.839 --> 00:43:59.575 for coming here tonight. And the 00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:01.496 point I wanted to make by thanking 00:44:01.520 --> 00:44:02.936 our speakers is for touching on the 00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:05.176 points that were important to them, but 00:44:05.200 --> 00:44:08.200 also to echo council's buckets 00:44:09.680 --> 00:44:12.136 remarks that not one person in a 00:44:12.160 --> 00:44:15.160 community of over 68,000 people, of 00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.736 course, not all of them are over 18, but 00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:19.335 not one person registered to speak 00:44:19.359 --> 00:44:20.856 tonight. 00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:23.815 Despite the fact that when we voted 00:44:23.839 --> 00:44:25.815 about the rate rise, let me be specific. 00:44:25.839 --> 00:44:28.456 Despite the fact that when we voted to 00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:30.936 send the potential special rate 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:33.960 variation to iPart a couple of months 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.000 ago, there has been consistent 00:44:37.359 --> 00:44:40.359 community vilification for those who 00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:43.480 chose to make a decision in both the 00:44:44.560 --> 00:44:46.936 organization and the community's best 00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:49.095 interests. And we're not going to sit 00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:50.295 here I'm not going to sit here and keep 00:44:50.319 --> 00:44:52.696 talking about what has been said 00:44:52.720 --> 00:44:54.856 online. I just think it was really 00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:57.335 important to point out 00:44:57.359 --> 00:45:00.295 that no one wanted to give up 5 minutes 00:45:00.319 --> 00:45:02.295 tonight to come and tell us how they 00:45:02.319 --> 00:45:05.319 don't approve that special rate 00:45:06.160 --> 00:45:07.976 variation. Of course, we have received 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:09.815 submissions on that. That's detailed in 00:45:09.839 --> 00:45:12.055 the report. Of course, submissions were 00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:13.896 received when we were voting on it in 00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:16.920 the first instance earlier this year. 00:45:17.359 --> 00:45:20.055 but not one person tonight. 00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:22.856 And given some of the votes we've had in 00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:24.776 this chamber over the decade I've been 00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:27.176 here, to not have anyone turn up on 00:45:27.200 --> 00:45:29.496 something so significant 00:45:29.520 --> 00:45:31.095 makes me feel a little bit better about 00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:33.656 the decision that I made after having 00:45:33.680 --> 00:45:35.575 read all of the information available to 00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:37.176 me. 00:45:37.200 --> 00:45:38.776 I think it's important to point out as 00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:41.016 well that this decision to raise the 00:45:41.040 --> 00:45:44.040 rates over the 3.1% rate peak to 8.66% 00:45:44.240 --> 00:45:47.240 66% um per year for 4 years hasn't been 00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:49.176 done lightly and it hasn't been done 00:45:49.200 --> 00:45:51.896 without independent scrutiny and having 00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:54.456 that assessment and application sent to 00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:56.536 iPart and approved by an independent 00:45:56.560 --> 00:45:58.936 body not only is the law and we have to 00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:01.575 do it but it is a vital step to show the 00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:03.815 community that nothing that we're doing 00:46:03.839 --> 00:46:06.839 here tonight is political. It is what 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:09.976 needs to be done to deliver what the 00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:12.055 community wants. And we've had to listen 00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:13.815 to that feedback from the community over 00:46:13.839 --> 00:46:15.335 the last couple of years, especially 00:46:15.359 --> 00:46:16.936 after the disasters that we've had in 00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:19.496 our area. What did they want more than 00:46:19.520 --> 00:46:20.856 anything else? What were their 00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:22.856 expectations more than anything else? 00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:25.815 And that was for safer roads. So, we 00:46:25.839 --> 00:46:28.696 listened. We took that feedback on. Now, 00:46:28.720 --> 00:46:31.176 when we sit here, we have to balance 00:46:31.200 --> 00:46:33.656 those numbers. We have to look at the 00:46:33.680 --> 00:46:35.335 figure, the dollar value we have in the 00:46:35.359 --> 00:46:37.095 pool available to meet the community's 00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:39.335 needs and expectations. And when that 00:46:39.359 --> 00:46:41.575 pool of funding isn't big enough, we 00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:43.256 need to find a way to increase that 00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:45.736 pool. and that's what we've done. 00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:47.335 other councilors have touched on cost 00:46:47.359 --> 00:46:48.936 shifting and of course that is a huge 00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:51.176 issue because the services that we have 00:46:51.200 --> 00:46:53.176 to deliver to the community are not 00:46:53.200 --> 00:46:55.176 funded by our parent which is the state 00:46:55.200 --> 00:46:56.136 government. In fact, the state 00:46:56.160 --> 00:46:57.896 government consistently cuts us off at 00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:00.136 the knees and we therefore have to be in 00:47:00.160 --> 00:47:02.376 situations like we are tonight. I'm 00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:03.575 looking at the time. I've got a lot to 00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:06.456 say. What I would like rate pays of 00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:07.896 the Hawkesbury to do when they get their 00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:10.920 rate notice in the mail soon is a 00:47:11.200 --> 00:47:13.736 couple of things. Only look at the line 00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:16.536 item in relation to rates. Don't look at 00:47:16.560 --> 00:47:18.456 the bottom line because the bottom line 00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:20.456 takes into things that do not encompass 00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:22.696 a rate rise and that is your waste 00:47:22.720 --> 00:47:25.016 charges, your pumpout charges if you are 00:47:25.040 --> 00:47:27.896 on pumpout, storm water charges. only 00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:29.815 look at the rates and please compare 00:47:29.839 --> 00:47:32.216 that with the line item from last year 00:47:32.240 --> 00:47:34.456 because by and large the difference that 00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:36.616 you'll see over a year is the price of a 00:47:36.640 --> 00:47:39.640 cup of coffee a week. I cannot reinforce 00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:42.696 that enough. For the price of a cup of 00:47:42.720 --> 00:47:44.456 coffee or a little bit more a week, 00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:46.055 you're going to get the roads that you 00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:49.079 want. So instead of the big hoo-ha 00:47:50.319 --> 00:47:53.095 about 40% rate rise, please have a look 00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:54.804 at how that is broken down. 00:47:54.828 --> 00:47:54.856 [clears throat] 00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:57.176 And the thing is, we all live in this 00:47:57.200 --> 00:47:58.936 community, too. Every single person 00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:00.856 sitting around here lives here. We hear 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:02.696 you. We know how hard it is. We drive 00:48:02.720 --> 00:48:04.456 these same roads. If we were driving 00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:05.976 these same roads and doing nothing about 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:07.896 it, then that would be the complaint. 00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:09.335 But we're doing something about it and 00:48:09.359 --> 00:48:11.496 we're doing it the best way we know. Um, 00:48:11.520 --> 00:48:13.176 just a couple of things really, really 00:48:13.200 --> 00:48:15.095 quickly. Turnball Oval I have a huge 00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:18.119 issue with with as everybody knows. Um, 00:48:18.640 --> 00:48:20.216 but I I'll be voting for what's in the 00:48:20.240 --> 00:48:21.896 recommendation regardless. the reduced 00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:24.456 scope bothers me, but I really urge you, 00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:26.216 Mr. Mayor, to continue that advocacy to 00:48:26.240 --> 00:48:27.656 the state government to ensure we don't 00:48:27.680 --> 00:48:29.815 miss out on that West invest portion of 00:48:29.839 --> 00:48:31.896 the funding. Um, I really want to thank 00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:34.920 our staff. I know how hard this has been 00:48:35.040 --> 00:48:37.815 for our staff to not only put together 00:48:37.839 --> 00:48:39.656 the documentation required under the 00:48:39.680 --> 00:48:42.680 law, but also to sit there and endure um 00:48:43.680 --> 00:48:45.656 the disharmony that's come from some 00:48:45.680 --> 00:48:47.496 elements of our community, but thank 00:48:47.520 --> 00:48:49.176 you. Thank you. Thank you. I want to 00:48:49.200 --> 00:48:50.216 name you, but I also don't want to name 00:48:50.240 --> 00:48:52.216 you on the public record. Um, thank you 00:48:52.240 --> 00:48:53.976 for putting together the operational 00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:56.055 plan. Thank you for turning up every day 00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:57.656 and working in this organization to 00:48:57.680 --> 00:49:00.055 ensure the services um are delivered to 00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:02.376 our community. Um, and the last thing I 00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:03.575 want to touch on again is something 00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:05.815 already said tonight to the community. 00:49:05.839 --> 00:49:08.839 Please read the information before you 00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:10.696 comment. It is there. It's in black and 00:49:10.720 --> 00:49:12.216 white. It's actually a really good read 00:49:12.240 --> 00:49:13.656 and you might learn something. Thank 00:49:13.680 --> 00:49:14.856 you, Mr. Mayor. 00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:17.880 Thanks, Deputy May. Um just just um with 00:49:18.640 --> 00:49:21.256 your passion, Deputy May, you indicated 00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:24.280 that it was 3.1 and then you said um it 00:49:24.319 --> 00:49:27.319 was um 8 8 six on on um it's it's 5.6 00:49:31.839 --> 00:49:34.839 with a total of of the um 8% just to 00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:36.616 clarify. 00:49:36.640 --> 00:49:38.696 That's what I was saying. Yes, that the 00:49:38.720 --> 00:49:41.720 rate pegs 3.1 the total is 8.66 over 00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:43.815 four years per year over four years. 00:49:43.839 --> 00:49:44.295 Yeah. 00:49:44.319 --> 00:49:46.136 Yeah. Thanks, Deputy May. 00:49:46.160 --> 00:49:49.160 Can I just um could I just have another 00:49:49.200 --> 00:49:49.815 minute? 00:49:49.839 --> 00:49:51.656 if you need to clarify something. 00:49:51.680 --> 00:49:54.680 It's I forgot to read my notes. 00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:57.016 And that was to thank the staff. 00:49:57.040 --> 00:49:58.696 Yeah. Council 00:49:58.720 --> 00:50:01.095 really. Yeah. Ditto everything that 00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:02.535 council you've spoken. It's 00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:04.856 clarification or 00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:07.176 what? 00:50:07.200 --> 00:50:09.496 Councelor Ryan. 00:50:09.520 --> 00:50:11.656 thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'll just um 00:50:11.680 --> 00:50:14.535 I'll be speaking in favor of this 00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:17.256 motion. Um look, I haven't taken this 00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:18.776 lightly to be honest. It's a hard 00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:21.736 decision and that's what I was elected 00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:24.295 for to make the hard decisions. 00:50:24.319 --> 00:50:26.696 Um I attended a number of the workshops, 00:50:26.720 --> 00:50:29.016 listened to the people and roads, roads, 00:50:29.040 --> 00:50:31.815 roads was everything they said. Um I 00:50:31.839 --> 00:50:34.055 also attended a number of the 00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:37.079 information sessions with the SRV. 00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:40.440 Um, I considered the current residents 00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:42.696 and future generations. And that's what 00:50:42.720 --> 00:50:43.815 we've got to look at, future 00:50:43.839 --> 00:50:46.839 generations. And I feel strongly that 00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:49.880 future generations should not inherit a 00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:51.815 debt from us. We shouldn't be kicking 00:50:51.839 --> 00:50:54.456 this can down the road. It's ours. We 00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:57.095 have to work with it. Um, at present, 00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:58.936 from what I've read in the reports, 00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:01.960 council has a $99.1 million underfunded 00:51:03.200 --> 00:51:06.055 asset renewal shortfall, which if it if 00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:07.656 we leave it alone, it'll increase to 00:51:07.680 --> 00:51:10.680 $170 million by 2034,25 00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:13.815 if we don't address it. And that's what 00:51:13.839 --> 00:51:16.216 we'll be passing on to our kids. And 00:51:16.240 --> 00:51:18.456 that's just not right. Um, we're going 00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:20.776 to have to take lose a cup of coffee 00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:23.800 every day for that. Council's got $1.4 4 00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:26.055 billion worth of assets which need to be 00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:29.079 serviced, maintained and at some stage 00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:32.920 replaced and that's growing all the time 00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:35.815 and we have to keep up with it. The 00:51:35.839 --> 00:51:38.216 current method of rate pegging I I'm 00:51:38.240 --> 00:51:41.095 just stunned being the first time 00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:42.936 counselor that the state government can 00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.656 put us under this pressure. Um it 00:51:45.680 --> 00:51:48.456 doesn't even hit anywhere near the rate 00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:51.480 of inflation. Um, it's 3.1% this year. 00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:54.055 And what I looked up today, inflation's 00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:57.079 at 4.2. Now that 3.1, that's all 00:51:57.599 --> 00:52:00.136 involved in our 8.66. So everyone, don't 00:52:00.160 --> 00:52:02.216 get all panicky that it's going to go up 00:52:02.240 --> 00:52:05.240 another 3.1. It will stay at 8.66. 00:52:06.319 --> 00:52:08.055 Um, and this makes it virtually 00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:10.295 impossible for council to deliver the 00:52:10.319 --> 00:52:12.936 services. if we're we're virtually 00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:14.856 losing money by doing what we're 00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:17.880 supposed to do. Um I believe that if 00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:20.776 there was a realistic rate pegging that 00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:23.800 kept up to with council's inflation, we 00:52:24.240 --> 00:52:25.896 wouldn't have to go through this SRV 00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:28.055 thing all the time. But people, we could 00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:30.376 just roll along and get things right all 00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:32.616 the time. Maybe occasionally if we had 00:52:32.640 --> 00:52:34.776 issues like our natural disasters and 00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:36.696 all that, well, okay, we'd have to put 00:52:36.720 --> 00:52:39.720 our hand in our pocket a bit then. Um I 00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:43.559 can assure you not one of the councils 00:52:44.160 --> 00:52:46.616 here in this chamber want to burden the 00:52:46.640 --> 00:52:49.016 rate payers with any extra money. I I 00:52:49.040 --> 00:52:52.040 don't want to do that but we have to and 00:52:52.160 --> 00:52:53.736 you know this decision needed to be 00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:56.760 made. So we need to move on 00:52:57.680 --> 00:52:59.496 from now 00:52:59.520 --> 00:53:02.055 um 00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:05.079 and make sure that all these um items in 00:53:05.200 --> 00:53:07.976 the budget tonight are passed and 00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:11.000 councilors will have to secure around 00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:14.456 delivering every council here tonight 00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:16.535 will have to make sure and that's my job 00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:17.896 as a council and every one of you 00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:19.976 councilors here to make sure that 00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:21.896 council delivers these things. That's 00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:23.976 our job. We're not out there to do it. 00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:25.656 We're out there to do make sure that 00:53:25.680 --> 00:53:28.616 it's delivered. 00:53:28.640 --> 00:53:31.335 So, we're right here right now. We've 00:53:31.359 --> 00:53:33.416 got to start again and start moving 00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:36.376 forward. I've dealt with the staff 00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:39.400 reasonably regularly now and I want you 00:53:39.839 --> 00:53:42.616 people to start getting a smile. Some of 00:53:42.640 --> 00:53:44.856 you people are dragging your feet and I 00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:46.535 don't want to see that anymore. I want 00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:48.535 to see you inspired. I want to see us 00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:50.535 get on with the job and deliver this for 00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:53.016 the Hawkesbury for the for the people to 00:53:53.040 --> 00:53:54.856 come. So that they say gez they went 00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:57.016 through a rough period with all that co 00:53:57.040 --> 00:53:59.896 with all that natural disasters and 00:53:59.920 --> 00:54:02.136 they came out with all these assets like 00:54:02.160 --> 00:54:04.776 a tremendous swimming pool. Imagine our 00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:07.095 forefathers would have said ah too many 00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:08.216 people complained about the swimming 00:54:08.240 --> 00:54:09.815 pool at Richmond. We won't do it back in 00:54:09.839 --> 00:54:12.839 the 50s. What would we have had? Yeah, 00:54:13.040 --> 00:54:15.363 we would have had houses built there. 00:54:15.387 --> 00:54:18.295 [bell] So let's work together. We've got 00:54:18.319 --> 00:54:21.016 a lot of pressure outside who probably 00:54:21.040 --> 00:54:22.776 won't even listen to what I've said. 00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:24.856 probably won't even care. But we are the 00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:26.295 ones who are here to care. We are the 00:54:26.319 --> 00:54:29.095 ones here to deliver. So I thank you. I 00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:30.616 thank the staff and I thank every 00:54:30.640 --> 00:54:32.456 counselor here that's going to make sure 00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:35.016 that this is delivered. 00:54:35.040 --> 00:54:38.040 Thank you councelor. 00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:38.936 Councelor Vel. 00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:41.960 Thank you Mr. Mayor. Um just a question. 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:43.575 The local government s the government 00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:45.416 sins the benchmark for debt don't they? 00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:47.016 Am I reading in the papers? Is that 00:54:47.040 --> 00:54:50.040 true? 00:54:50.319 --> 00:54:51.416 Sorry councelor. Can you repeat that? 00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:53.896 the debt service ratio or the debt the 00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:55.896 debt service ratio in the accounts the 00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:57.335 government sets that benchmark against 00:54:57.359 --> 00:54:58.136 all 00:54:58.160 --> 00:54:59.176 the local government correct 00:54:59.200 --> 00:55:01.095 so we're standing at 3.9 projected for 00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:03.496 next financial year are we not 00:55:03.520 --> 00:55:05.656 well it's in the paper so I just agree 00:55:05.680 --> 00:55:06.936 with if you want to agree with me I'm 00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:08.535 not going to lie about it I would say 00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:10.376 that's fairly conservative anyway but if 00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:11.656 you need to drill down a bit more with 00:55:11.680 --> 00:55:12.856 other questions been answered that's 00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:15.176 fair enough can I make a statement if I 00:55:15.200 --> 00:55:17.416 may Mr. there just just with the case of 00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:19.976 the SRV. I'll talk to that in a moment. 00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:21.656 I just want you to be aware to be 00:55:21.680 --> 00:55:23.095 compassionate because it might put 00:55:23.119 --> 00:55:25.335 financial hardship on some people in in 00:55:25.359 --> 00:55:27.016 the LGA. 00:55:27.040 --> 00:55:28.776 I know you have programs to help these 00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:30.689 people anyway, but just be 00:55:30.713 --> 00:55:31.335 [clears throat] 00:55:31.359 --> 00:55:33.976 just keep keep an eye on it and and and 00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:35.736 but be careful of what we're dealing 00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:36.856 with out there 00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:38.535 cuz people see an extra hundred odd 00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:39.736 dollars coming out. 00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:41.016 Spoken before. 00:55:41.040 --> 00:55:42.295 Yeah. Well, I don't know. It's been 00:55:42.319 --> 00:55:44.136 spoken before, but I'm just putting my 00:55:44.160 --> 00:55:46.376 my my stain on it. The Rope was raised 00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:48.295 before then. Fair enough. 00:55:48.319 --> 00:55:50.616 Now, I've just talked to the SRV. Yes, I 00:55:50.640 --> 00:55:52.136 was one of those councils when when it 00:55:52.160 --> 00:55:53.815 was first submitted, I said no to it. I 00:55:53.839 --> 00:55:55.496 had my own reasons. I did anguish over 00:55:55.520 --> 00:55:57.496 it. I had some sympathies for an SRV, 00:55:57.520 --> 00:55:59.016 but at that time when it came back, I 00:55:59.040 --> 00:56:00.696 thought it was excessive and then I came 00:56:00.720 --> 00:56:03.720 up with another option which was the pay 00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:05.976 payment over those four years. Hence 00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:08.856 saying that I I am not going to take a 00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:10.775 point of view to overrule an independent 00:56:10.799 --> 00:56:13.016 tribunal. We had all the data in front 00:56:13.040 --> 00:56:15.095 of them and I they probably know better 00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:16.775 than I. Although I still have great some 00:56:16.799 --> 00:56:18.535 great concerns, it might be a bit of a 00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:21.016 stretch for some people. I will add to 00:56:21.040 --> 00:56:22.376 comment and then I'll back up my 00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:23.736 colleagues around the table when it 00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:25.095 comes to the federal government, the 00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:26.775 state government. 00:56:26.799 --> 00:56:29.095 Maybe the people of our LGA should be 00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:30.775 slanting a lot of the blame home back to 00:56:30.799 --> 00:56:32.055 the federal government and the state 00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:34.216 government for not funding LGA the way 00:56:34.240 --> 00:56:37.240 they are. I get I all too I I too too 00:56:37.359 --> 00:56:39.896 much get really annoyed now that they 00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:41.416 take the money and I say well you find 00:56:41.440 --> 00:56:43.976 it we're just we're just a tax tax 00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:46.136 grabber for them where they they can't 00:56:46.160 --> 00:56:47.416 be bothered to do it and I find that 00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:50.216 completely immoral on their part. 00:56:50.240 --> 00:56:51.335 they're derelcting their own 00:56:51.359 --> 00:56:52.616 responsibilities because they don't want 00:56:52.640 --> 00:56:55.640 to fund us. So um based on that 00:56:57.599 --> 00:56:59.575 but supporting the paper to push the SRB 00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:01.016 through. Thanks Mr. Mayor. 00:57:01.040 --> 00:57:04.040 Thank you. 00:57:04.240 --> 00:57:06.936 Councelor 00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:09.960 Dur, is your light on it? No. 00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:11.496 Council Wheeler. 00:57:11.520 --> 00:57:13.095 Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Um, a few questions 00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:15.490 before I start if you wouldn't mind. Um, 00:57:15.514 --> 00:57:18.514 [laughter] the the a question around um 00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:22.136 the overdue rates and charges um 00:57:22.160 --> 00:57:25.160 interest rate. We we discussed 00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:27.656 um using that for only for people who 00:57:27.680 --> 00:57:30.136 had not entered into a payment plan with 00:57:30.160 --> 00:57:31.815 council. Is that the case in this 00:57:31.839 --> 00:57:33.496 instance or is everyone who is in a 00:57:33.520 --> 00:57:36.520 rears charged the 9.5% interest? 00:57:37.839 --> 00:57:40.839 general manager 00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:42.696 I'll refer that to our chief financial 00:57:42.720 --> 00:57:44.376 officer. 00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:46.216 Through you Mr. Mayor. Um so everyone is 00:57:46.240 --> 00:57:48.856 charged that on overdue rates and then 00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:51.176 we do assess that if need be. 00:57:51.200 --> 00:57:53.496 Thank you. Can I flag that for um a 00:57:53.520 --> 00:57:55.896 future discussion um please? I think if 00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:58.295 people are willing to come forward um 00:57:58.319 --> 00:58:01.095 with to to talk of their um financial 00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:03.815 difficulties um and and do need some um 00:58:03.839 --> 00:58:06.216 some support with that then we we need 00:58:06.240 --> 00:58:08.376 to look at um not charging them such a 00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:09.815 savage interest rate. 00:58:09.839 --> 00:58:11.575 Thank you counselor. 00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:13.815 The um 00:58:13.839 --> 00:58:16.216 the the 00:58:16.240 --> 00:58:19.240 further how how does someone who who 00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:21.656 wants to spread their payments out um 00:58:21.680 --> 00:58:23.416 and I know that we have a number of um 00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:25.176 rate payers who do this. How does 00:58:25.200 --> 00:58:27.736 someone get um come to an arrangement 00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:30.760 with with council um to pay um in I know 00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:33.176 you can pay you can easily pay by the 00:58:33.200 --> 00:58:35.416 quarter. How do you pay for example by 00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:38.440 the month if you want to budget more um 00:58:40.160 --> 00:58:42.216 um through you Mr. Mayor? So we have um 00:58:42.240 --> 00:58:44.936 a hardship policy. So we assess um rate 00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:46.775 payers who are going through hardship um 00:58:46.799 --> 00:58:49.335 and offer them payment arrangements um 00:58:49.359 --> 00:58:52.359 and we try to explain to them um how to 00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:55.736 you know get their their debts in in 00:58:55.760 --> 00:58:57.256 control with the payment arrangement 00:58:57.280 --> 00:59:00.280 amounts that we negotiate with. Um yeah, 00:59:00.799 --> 00:59:02.376 so it it's based on each individual 00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:04.696 rateayer and how what what position 00:59:04.720 --> 00:59:06.616 they're in and and the the amount of the 00:59:06.640 --> 00:59:08.616 debt and and the payment arrangement 00:59:08.640 --> 00:59:10.775 amounts that they can afford that they 00:59:10.799 --> 00:59:12.616 can keep paying on a regular basis 00:59:12.640 --> 00:59:15.640 without missing any payments. 00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:17.496 Sorry, can we provide that service then 00:59:17.520 --> 00:59:19.016 for people who don't want to get into 00:59:19.040 --> 00:59:22.040 debt who who want to pay say 00:59:22.160 --> 00:59:25.160 regularly to council to avoid 00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:27.016 incurring a debt or do we leave people 00:59:27.040 --> 00:59:28.055 to make their own budgeting 00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:29.976 arrangements? um and and deal with that 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:31.496 quarterly. 00:59:31.520 --> 00:59:33.416 We generally leave people on their own 00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:36.440 until they are in a rears or overdue um 00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:39.335 and then you know we contact them in 00:59:39.359 --> 00:59:42.136 terms of the debt and then try to 00:59:42.160 --> 00:59:43.896 organize a payment arrangement or some 00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:46.920 sort of a an arrangement to bring it 00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:49.960 back down. Yeah. Into into terms. 00:59:52.799 --> 00:59:54.696 further further to that three, Mr. 00:59:54.720 --> 00:59:56.136 Yeah. Um, council is currently 00:59:56.160 --> 00:59:59.160 investigating um the the the possibility 00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:01.896 of using a service provider to um even 01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:04.696 out payments um to avoid bill that 01:00:04.720 --> 01:00:06.376 quarterly bill shock. Um that's a 01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:07.416 process that we're working through at 01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:08.456 the present time. 01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:10.936 Thank you. Um and what I'd be most keen 01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:12.616 to see is some sort of process that 01:00:12.640 --> 01:00:14.696 doesn't cost people an additional 01:00:14.720 --> 01:00:16.775 fee. because that's you know that 01:00:16.799 --> 01:00:18.696 that's the the least we can do I think 01:00:18.720 --> 01:00:20.535 for people who are trying to keep on top 01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:22.055 of their on top of their payments. 01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:25.079 Council does um council isn't one of the 01:00:25.359 --> 01:00:27.496 the better ones in the state for debt 01:00:27.520 --> 01:00:29.496 recovery. Um although interestingly our 01:00:29.520 --> 01:00:32.520 capacity to pay um shows that people who 01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:35.559 can pay are often the ones who don't. Um 01:00:35.839 --> 01:00:38.839 regarding turnable oval um are the the 01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:42.216 the project the the bits of the project 01:00:42.240 --> 01:00:45.095 that we are not completing um they're 01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:46.775 still shovel ready. they they will still 01:00:46.799 --> 01:00:49.176 be um shovel ready from a design point 01:00:49.200 --> 01:00:51.256 of view and and staged and could be 01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:53.335 rolled out should funding come available 01:00:53.359 --> 01:00:55.976 from somewhere else. 01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:58.696 So not off the table completely. Um a 01:00:58.720 --> 01:01:01.720 few questions about tip fees um and and 01:01:02.240 --> 01:01:04.376 cleanup. 01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:05.736 There's there's quite a lot of 01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:08.696 commentary on tip fees for that council 01:01:08.720 --> 01:01:11.496 charges. Um what's what's been our um 01:01:11.520 --> 01:01:14.520 EPA levy costs for the last couple of 01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:17.016 years? And I think last time I asked um 01:01:17.040 --> 01:01:20.040 it was $3.1 million per year of which 01:01:20.559 --> 01:01:22.936 $100,000 was returned to council for 01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:25.256 education. Um I'm happy to take it on 01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:27.896 notice if necessary, but if we are we 01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:30.216 still up around those fe those figures? 01:01:30.240 --> 01:01:32.055 I look certainly through you, Mr. Mayor. 01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:33.256 We're certainly up around those figures, 01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:35.016 but the exact figures I'll have to take 01:01:35.040 --> 01:01:35.736 on notice. 01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:37.575 Sure. Thank you. That would be helpful. 01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:40.055 Um, regarding the council cleanups, 01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:42.216 there is, um, as usual, lots of 01:01:42.240 --> 01:01:44.616 complaints about council not offering 10 01:01:44.640 --> 01:01:47.016 or 12, um, cleanups a year, like 01:01:47.040 --> 01:01:48.856 Blacktail. Not quite sure why you would 01:01:48.880 --> 01:01:51.736 have 15 cubic meters of stuff that 01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:53.896 council needed to cut off for you in 01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:56.616 addition to a 240 L garbage bin a week, 01:01:56.640 --> 01:01:59.256 but apparently it's very important that 01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:02.280 we have a quality of cleanup. Um, are we 01:02:03.440 --> 01:02:06.216 still are a quarter are we still at the 01:02:06.240 --> 01:02:08.456 at the figure of around a quarter of 01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:11.416 residents using that that cleanup? 01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:13.416 True, Mr. Mayor. That's my understanding 01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:15.656 um that we're still around that 25% of 01:02:15.680 --> 01:02:17.815 residents actually taking up their or 01:02:17.839 --> 01:02:19.575 their um annual cleanup. 01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:22.055 And is that that annual is that calendar 01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:25.079 year or is that financial year? 01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:28.216 I think it's financial year. But 01:02:28.240 --> 01:02:29.815 if it is financial year, can I suggest 01:02:29.839 --> 01:02:31.496 that we put out a Facebook post 01:02:31.520 --> 01:02:33.575 quicksmart and say to people cuz 01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:35.496 basically you ring a book with with 01:02:35.520 --> 01:02:37.575 Cleanway and Cleanway and they come and 01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:39.815 it magically disappears. Um can we put 01:02:39.839 --> 01:02:41.416 out a Facebook post reminding people 01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:44.295 that they've got a couple of weeks to um 01:02:44.319 --> 01:02:47.176 to claim their financial year? 01:02:47.200 --> 01:02:48.376 because I'm sure they'd be delighted 01:02:48.400 --> 01:02:51.400 that they could get two in this year. Um 01:02:53.359 --> 01:02:55.176 then might send them well the contractor 01:02:55.200 --> 01:02:57.176 will have to cope with that, won't they? 01:02:57.200 --> 01:02:59.335 Um, 01:02:59.359 --> 01:03:01.095 thanks Mr. Mayor. I'll I'll um I'll 01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:04.119 speak for the motion. Um the there's as 01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:09.400 usual the operational plan contains lots 01:03:09.839 --> 01:03:12.456 of information about all the things that 01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:15.480 council does. Um and it's a really long 01:03:17.200 --> 01:03:19.575 list of things that local government 01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:22.599 just ticks along doing. 01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:25.880 companion animals, caravan parks, 01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:28.775 regulating health services. I mean, the 01:03:28.799 --> 01:03:31.256 the the headings are fantastic. Skin 01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:34.280 penetration, cooling towers, 01:03:34.799 --> 01:03:37.176 um performance, security, administration 01:03:37.200 --> 01:03:40.200 fees. Um you know, the it's not roads, 01:03:41.200 --> 01:03:43.015 rates, and rubbish that count that local 01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:45.256 government is covering. It's a huge list 01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:48.280 of stuff that is that that we manage all 01:03:49.520 --> 01:03:52.520 the time for 01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:55.559 often quite a quite a a reasonable cost. 01:03:55.839 --> 01:03:58.616 Um, one of the things in here that is a 01:03:58.640 --> 01:04:00.456 big cost. Um, and I want to acknowledge 01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:02.936 that are the solage fees. They are a 01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:05.960 really massive impost on those um 01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:09.335 pockets of the of the community that 01:04:09.359 --> 01:04:10.936 have to pay them. Bowen mountain, parts 01:04:10.960 --> 01:04:13.416 of Ebeneza, parts of Karajong, Karajong 01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:16.440 Heights, etc. This this is a failure of 01:04:18.319 --> 01:04:21.319 of develop of planning that remain from 01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:25.400 from 30, 40, 50 years ago that this 01:04:25.839 --> 01:04:28.839 council is still dealing with um and a 01:04:29.520 --> 01:04:31.736 failure frankly of the state government 01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:34.760 to come back and tidy up this mess. 01:04:35.119 --> 01:04:38.119 Sewer is not a council responsibility. 01:04:38.160 --> 01:04:39.736 sewer is a state government 01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:41.896 responsibility and yet we are still here 01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:44.920 doing it in the hope of getting a a a 01:04:45.680 --> 01:04:47.736 better and cheaper service for our 01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:49.095 residents and I know it doesn't feel 01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:50.856 like that for any of those residents cuz 01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:53.335 it's you know three grand a year for a 01:04:53.359 --> 01:04:55.976 fortnightly pump out of your septic tank 01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:59.000 is a lot of money um or your collection 01:04:59.359 --> 01:05:02.136 tank um if your septic tank needs 01:05:02.160 --> 01:05:03.575 pumping out fortnightly you've got a 01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:06.456 problem with your septic tank um I would 01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:08.775 highlight here that If residents do need 01:05:08.799 --> 01:05:11.176 to save a bit of money, there the 01:05:11.200 --> 01:05:13.815 easiest way on the on the um to manage 01:05:13.839 --> 01:05:15.416 that is to change the size of your 01:05:15.440 --> 01:05:18.055 garbage bin or to change the collection 01:05:18.079 --> 01:05:21.079 um um regimen of your of the frequency 01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:23.896 of your of your bin collection is 01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:26.920 probably the most we we default to a 240 01:05:27.200 --> 01:05:28.936 liter bin in this LGA. I've never 01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:31.575 understood why. but if you switch to 01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:33.656 a smaller bin, which is the standard in 01:05:33.680 --> 01:05:36.616 most LGAs, you save about 300 bucks a 01:05:36.640 --> 01:05:37.656 year. 01:05:37.680 --> 01:05:39.656 I would also note that council is still 01:05:39.680 --> 01:05:41.896 paying out um a fairly substantial 01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:43.896 amount of money for pensioner subsidies 01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:45.896 which um are not met by the state 01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:47.256 government and that that pensioner 01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:49.496 subsidy has remained the same for 01:05:49.520 --> 01:05:52.520 several decades now, not years, decades. 01:05:52.720 --> 01:05:54.936 so should any member of the state 01:05:54.960 --> 01:05:56.216 government point their finger at 01:05:56.240 --> 01:05:58.535 council, perhaps they could consider 01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:01.095 getting on to that. Um, other things 01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:03.416 that are that are impacting on the LGA 01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:05.176 are the amount number of heavy vehicles. 01:06:05.200 --> 01:06:08.136 And I'd love to see us look at some levy 01:06:08.160 --> 01:06:10.856 for places like Racecourse Road where 01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:13.015 the the um the heavy vehicles from the 01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:15.736 MOT facility there um are wreaking havoc 01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:18.055 on our roads. Kermont Road is a similar 01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:21.015 thing. I'm not delighted with voting for 01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:23.335 an SRV. Nobody wants to pay anymore. 01:06:23.359 --> 01:06:25.095 Everyone around this table either pays 01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:27.575 rates or pays rent. We are all affected 01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:29.896 by this too. um we don't get our rates 01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:32.616 for free unlike um some of the some of 01:06:32.640 --> 01:06:35.640 the suggestions online. Um I'm pleased 01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:37.656 to see that we will have a separate SRV 01:06:37.680 --> 01:06:39.496 tracker. 01:06:39.520 --> 01:06:42.136 There is no alternative to this SRV. If 01:06:42.160 --> 01:06:45.160 there was, I'd be voting for it. I I 01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:47.976 wasn't happy about voting for the SRV 01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:49.736 that we've gone with, but I was willing 01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:51.815 to send it to an independent arbitrator. 01:06:51.839 --> 01:06:54.616 iPart has come back and said that um 01:06:54.640 --> 01:06:57.015 that that this is necessary and that 01:06:57.039 --> 01:07:00.039 that it is affordable for most the cost 01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:02.456 of everything's gone up including basic 01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:05.095 council functions. Um councelor Ryan has 01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:07.896 has outlined some of that. The most 01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:09.496 expensive thing we could do at this 01:07:09.520 --> 01:07:12.055 point is nothing. [bell] Um, and I think 01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:14.055 you know the the people who have have 01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:15.736 gone out to the community and claimed 01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:18.136 that doing nothing was an option or 01:07:18.160 --> 01:07:19.656 putting this off for a year or 01:07:19.680 --> 01:07:21.736 procrastinating a bit longer in the hope 01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:24.216 of the perfect solution 01:07:24.240 --> 01:07:25.976 are really doing this community a 01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:28.136 disservice. 01:07:28.160 --> 01:07:30.055 I've supported this rates rise largely 01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:32.216 to prevent service cuts. Our promise to 01:07:32.240 --> 01:07:33.815 the community is that we will track the 01:07:33.839 --> 01:07:36.295 progress of this SRV and that we will 01:07:36.319 --> 01:07:38.216 deliver it. 01:07:38.240 --> 01:07:41.176 We owe it to both the community um and 01:07:41.200 --> 01:07:43.496 our staff who are not lazy, they're not 01:07:43.520 --> 01:07:45.416 corrupt, and they're not incompetent. 01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:47.976 Most of them live here. Um most of them 01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:50.136 are part of this community and frankly 01:07:50.160 --> 01:07:52.136 from the community from their community. 01:07:52.160 --> 01:07:55.160 They deserve better treatment. Um 01:07:56.160 --> 01:07:58.456 we owe this to future generations, hence 01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:00.136 the Richmond pool spending. People did 01:08:00.160 --> 01:08:01.896 say that was too expensive. They said it 01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:03.896 would bankrupt council and that council 01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:05.815 shouldn't borrow money. Four generations 01:08:05.839 --> 01:08:07.256 of children have learned to swim in that 01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:09.256 pool since we owe it to future 01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:11.976 generations to keep this LGA ticking 01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:13.335 and to make sure that we have a 01:08:13.359 --> 01:08:14.696 reasonable level of service and 01:08:14.720 --> 01:08:16.295 infrastructure. That's what this OP is 01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:16.536 for. 01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:18.456 Thank you, councelor. 01:08:18.480 --> 01:08:21.480 Any further discussion 01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:23.416 councilors, um I [clears throat] I know 01:08:23.440 --> 01:08:25.016 the passion that's around the room in 01:08:25.040 --> 01:08:28.040 relation to in particular the operation 01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:29.735 plan. There's a lot in it and some 01:08:29.759 --> 01:08:32.456 that's been discussed by some of you um 01:08:32.480 --> 01:08:35.096 that we discuss all year round. but 01:08:35.120 --> 01:08:37.576 the rate increase is probably probably 01:08:37.600 --> 01:08:40.600 the closest to people and the it doesn't 01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:43.496 really surprise me tonight there's no 01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:45.735 one here that it's it been discussed. 01:08:45.759 --> 01:08:47.976 It's been looked at independently and 01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:49.655 supported. 01:08:49.679 --> 01:08:52.679 What we need to do now is make sure that 01:08:53.759 --> 01:08:56.616 what our community and I expect the 01:08:56.640 --> 01:08:58.135 reason they're they're not here tonight 01:08:58.159 --> 01:09:00.456 in any force that they expect us to do 01:09:00.480 --> 01:09:02.856 the right thing. The staff will not put 01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:04.936 up proposals that they will not spend 01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:06.456 money that doesn't come before us to 01:09:06.480 --> 01:09:08.856 make a decision on. So, us sitting 01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:11.880 around this table um will need to heed 01:09:12.560 --> 01:09:14.295 those recommendations and look at how we 01:09:14.319 --> 01:09:17.255 deliver um what we're proposed to in our 01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:20.279 long-term financial and management plans 01:09:20.400 --> 01:09:23.400 and and if we don't do it well, we'll 01:09:23.839 --> 01:09:26.839 get criticized for it. Um we've all made 01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:29.096 comments in relation to getting it 01:09:29.120 --> 01:09:31.496 right. Um now we have to live up to 01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:34.215 that. Um, I thank councilors for their 01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:37.239 comments tonight and um councelor 01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:39.896 Kotlash I didn't mean to cut you 01:09:39.920 --> 01:09:41.096 short. I'm sure the staff well 01:09:41.120 --> 01:09:43.815 appreciated your comments. 01:09:43.839 --> 01:09:46.839 Any further discussion? 01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:48.749 councelor Reardon, write a 01:09:48.773 --> 01:09:50.775 [clears throat] reply. 01:09:50.799 --> 01:09:52.456 Not necessary, Mr. Mayor. I'm happy with 01:09:52.480 --> 01:09:53.896 it. 01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:56.920 Thank you. The recommendations on page 01:09:57.440 --> 01:10:00.440 19 and 20.2.1. 01:10:00.480 --> 01:10:03.480 Those in favor? 01:10:04.239 --> 01:10:06.296 Those against? 01:10:06.320 --> 01:10:09.320 The motion's carried. Those in in favor 01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:11.976 was council wheel, council lines bucket, 01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:15.000 councelor Ryan McMahon, Kotlash, 01:10:16.239 --> 01:10:19.096 Bel Reardon, and Sheather. Those against 01:10:19.120 --> 01:10:22.120 was council Brogno and councelor Zirk. 01:10:26.159 --> 01:10:29.159 The next item, councilors, is 10.3.1. 01:10:32.239 --> 01:10:34.695 I'll move that, Mr. Mayor. 01:10:34.719 --> 01:10:36.936 I'll second it. 01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:39.960 Sorry, I'm copies. 01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:42.376 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um I'm very 01:10:42.400 --> 01:10:45.400 pleased to see this come before us um to 01:10:46.480 --> 01:10:49.480 be going out on public exhibition. 01:10:49.679 --> 01:10:52.679 this is a very important document. Um 01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:56.456 and it's very important to get input 01:10:56.480 --> 01:10:59.480 because we know that sustainability 01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:02.215 can be viewed through different lenses 01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:05.239 by different people. So therefore when 01:11:05.280 --> 01:11:07.336 we talk sustainability we know that 01:11:07.360 --> 01:11:10.056 within our community people may think 01:11:10.080 --> 01:11:12.376 that one element of sustainability is 01:11:12.400 --> 01:11:15.175 more important than another. So for us 01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:18.199 to understand what our community um feel 01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:20.616 a sustainability 01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:23.336 policy should encompass is really 01:11:23.360 --> 01:11:24.856 important. 01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:27.880 What this document does is that it aims 01:11:28.560 --> 01:11:31.560 to make sustainability a core part of 01:11:31.679 --> 01:11:34.456 everything that council does. So we must 01:11:34.480 --> 01:11:37.016 build sustainability considerations into 01:11:37.040 --> 01:11:39.096 our decision making, our operations and 01:11:39.120 --> 01:11:41.816 our services. It demonstrates how we can 01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:44.456 lead by example which is a really 01:11:44.480 --> 01:11:46.695 important thing for us to do because we 01:11:46.719 --> 01:11:48.776 cannot expect our community to come on 01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:51.416 board with things if we ourselves don't 01:11:51.440 --> 01:11:54.215 lead by example 01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:56.776 so we can encourage our community, our 01:11:56.800 --> 01:11:59.016 businesses and other stakeholders to 01:11:59.040 --> 01:12:02.040 adopt more sustainable practices. It 01:12:02.080 --> 01:12:04.776 recognizes our first nations people and 01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:07.096 it reinforces our existing commitment to 01:12:07.120 --> 01:12:09.976 net zero emissions, energy efficiency, 01:12:10.000 --> 01:12:12.215 renewable energy, water efficiency and 01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:15.239 climate resilience. It has the function 01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:18.215 what it does is it functions as an 01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:21.239 almost overarching policy that brings 01:12:21.360 --> 01:12:22.695 together council's various 01:12:22.719 --> 01:12:25.016 sustainability strategies under a single 01:12:25.040 --> 01:12:27.816 policy framework and it outlines the 01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:29.655 responsibilities for implementing 01:12:29.679 --> 01:12:32.215 monitoring and evaluating sustainability 01:12:32.239 --> 01:12:35.239 goals. I do really urge the public to 01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:38.520 read and comment. Um it's our combined 01:12:39.760 --> 01:12:42.695 future that we want to be sustainable. 01:12:42.719 --> 01:12:45.256 And if people read and understand a 01:12:45.280 --> 01:12:47.336 policy like this, when we have 01:12:47.360 --> 01:12:50.135 challenges within our community that 01:12:50.159 --> 01:12:53.159 relate to how whether it be an economic 01:12:54.400 --> 01:12:56.376 sustainability issue, whether it's 01:12:56.400 --> 01:12:59.400 environmental or regardless of what it 01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:03.159 is, if people understand that we have a 01:13:03.440 --> 01:13:06.215 framework that we operate within, it's 01:13:06.239 --> 01:13:08.296 important that they know that that is 01:13:08.320 --> 01:13:10.456 there. And it's important for us to 01:13:10.480 --> 01:13:12.536 understand the community expectations 01:13:12.560 --> 01:13:15.560 for something like this because um that 01:13:16.080 --> 01:13:19.080 is really what should be driving many of 01:13:19.120 --> 01:13:21.175 our decisions as we look toward the 01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:23.016 future. We've just discussed in the 01:13:23.040 --> 01:13:25.976 operational plan about our long-term 01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:28.616 financial sustainability, but that of 01:13:28.640 --> 01:13:31.096 course is intertwined very much with our 01:13:31.120 --> 01:13:33.496 preservation of our precious environment 01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:35.976 and our social cohesion and other 01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:38.456 aspects about which we make decisions in 01:13:38.480 --> 01:13:41.480 here every meeting. So, I urge the 01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:44.520 public to um bring forward their um 01:13:45.679 --> 01:13:47.416 information that they may have around 01:13:47.440 --> 01:13:49.175 that. I'm sure some of our local 01:13:49.199 --> 01:13:51.016 community groups and environmental 01:13:51.040 --> 01:13:54.040 groups will comment on that and I am 01:13:55.679 --> 01:13:58.536 very pleased to see that it's ready to 01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:01.016 go out at this stage of the process and 01:14:01.040 --> 01:14:03.336 look forward to it returning. Thank you 01:14:03.360 --> 01:14:04.776 Mr. Mayor. 01:14:04.800 --> 01:14:07.175 Thank you council lines bucket. Um, 01:14:07.199 --> 01:14:09.816 council lines bucket. Um, I I was after 01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:12.135 asked something to thank you for and I 01:14:12.159 --> 01:14:13.816 couldn't remember what it was and it's 01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:15.096 probably more appropriate that I 01:14:15.120 --> 01:14:17.816 mentioned it in the last item, but we're 01:14:17.840 --> 01:14:19.816 talking about sustainability. Um, the 01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:22.056 red fleet the state government is 01:14:22.080 --> 01:14:24.616 taking that on and council lines 01:14:24.640 --> 01:14:26.296 buckets asked for a report in relation 01:14:26.320 --> 01:14:29.016 to the impact that that has um with 01:14:29.040 --> 01:14:32.040 within our our council. Um, so when we 01:14:32.080 --> 01:14:34.536 talk about cost shifting we probably 01:14:34.560 --> 01:14:36.296 need to lower the barrier a little bit. 01:14:36.320 --> 01:14:38.856 There's been a great win for councils 01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:41.016 across the state in that regard. 01:14:41.040 --> 01:14:44.040 I agree, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, 01:14:45.280 --> 01:14:46.215 Council Vel. 01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:47.736 Yeah, thanks, Mr. Mayor. Just a couple 01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:49.416 of questions. 01:14:49.440 --> 01:14:51.496 Um, 01:14:51.520 --> 01:14:53.576 what's a Sendai framework for disaster 01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:56.135 risk reduction 01:14:56.159 --> 01:14:57.736 and why are we aligning with United 01:14:57.760 --> 01:14:59.175 Nations policy? I would have thought our 01:14:59.199 --> 01:15:01.096 local sovereignty would have would have 01:15:01.120 --> 01:15:02.776 been none, but going to the United 01:15:02.800 --> 01:15:04.856 Nations and asking them for advice. 01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:06.856 three, Mr. May the SAI framework for 01:15:06.880 --> 01:15:09.736 disaster risk reduction was a global um 01:15:09.760 --> 01:15:12.616 framework agreed to by countries in the 01:15:12.640 --> 01:15:15.640 UN in 2015. 01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:16.776 note 01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:17.175 um 01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:18.536 20 20 01:15:18.560 --> 01:15:19.416 yeah 2015 01:15:19.440 --> 01:15:22.440 yeah 2015 um and it identifies um from 01:15:22.719 --> 01:15:24.616 memory five kind of pillars towards 01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:27.640 reducing disaster risk across the world 01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:30.536 um and about 14 actions from from memory 01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:32.616 so just like the sustainable development 01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:34.776 goals um of the UN they're kind of the 01:15:34.800 --> 01:15:37.800 global benchmark in um guiding policy 01:15:39.360 --> 01:15:42.360 in in how we um make progress towards 01:15:43.440 --> 01:15:45.496 disaster risk risk reduction through 01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:48.215 things like sustainability practices 01:15:48.239 --> 01:15:49.175 achievable 01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:51.336 are they achievable 01:15:51.360 --> 01:15:52.936 or just another motherhood statement 01:15:52.960 --> 01:15:55.960 coming out of the UN 01:15:56.239 --> 01:15:56.616 01:15:56.640 --> 01:15:57.896 well I ask you the question we talk 01:15:57.920 --> 01:15:59.496 about net zero I've asked this question 01:15:59.520 --> 01:16:01.016 in this chamber before 01:16:01.040 --> 01:16:03.016 and was honestly given back from the 01:16:03.040 --> 01:16:06.040 officers will this council meet net zero 01:16:06.239 --> 01:16:07.736 categorically came back no you didn't 01:16:07.760 --> 01:16:09.496 have a chance I suspect that doesn't 01:16:09.520 --> 01:16:11.976 change so there's there's a motherhood 01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:13.096 statement that's never going to be 01:16:13.120 --> 01:16:16.120 achieved so wasn't any any documents. 01:16:16.239 --> 01:16:18.056 I wouldn't I wouldn't agree with the 01:16:18.080 --> 01:16:19.256 characteristic that it's a motherhood 01:16:19.280 --> 01:16:20.936 statement that won't be achieved. They 01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:23.960 the the um the send framework talks of 01:16:24.400 --> 01:16:26.936 measures such as reducing um global 01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:29.960 mortality improving awareness of 01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:33.000 disaster risk across across populations 01:16:33.520 --> 01:16:35.416 um reducing economic impact from 01:16:35.440 --> 01:16:37.816 disasters. So it doesn't call for some 01:16:37.840 --> 01:16:40.840 absolute number, but it it calls for a 01:16:40.880 --> 01:16:43.256 trend downward and to improve outcomes 01:16:43.280 --> 01:16:45.896 across the globe. 01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:47.576 Can I 01:16:47.600 --> 01:16:49.416 is that available to us? Cuz I've never 01:16:49.440 --> 01:16:50.695 I haven't read it. I've never seen the 01:16:50.719 --> 01:16:52.135 benchmarks against this. 01:16:52.159 --> 01:16:53.336 Yes, it is. 01:16:53.360 --> 01:16:56.360 Okay. Thanks. Since this is a draft, 01:16:57.120 --> 01:16:58.695 we'll let it go out for draft comment 01:16:58.719 --> 01:17:00.215 and then I'll make final comments when I 01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:02.135 see my most behind it before I vote up 01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:03.896 on them. Thank you, 01:17:03.920 --> 01:17:05.416 Cot. 01:17:05.440 --> 01:17:08.376 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd like to 01:17:08.400 --> 01:17:11.400 move an amendment. Excuse me. Um I'd 01:17:11.600 --> 01:17:13.416 like to to make a point three in the 01:17:13.440 --> 01:17:15.016 recommendation 01:17:15.040 --> 01:17:16.936 to 01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:19.416 essentially upgrade the definition of 01:17:19.440 --> 01:17:22.440 biodiversity. Um one of the one of the 01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:25.800 things um that I often come across, 01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:27.096 excuse [clears throat] me, sorry, I've 01:17:27.120 --> 01:17:29.175 got this terrible frog in my throat 01:17:29.199 --> 01:17:29.576 tonight. 01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:31.096 Have you got have you got an amendment 01:17:31.120 --> 01:17:33.416 there, council? Yes, I have sent um some 01:17:33.440 --> 01:17:36.440 words to staff. 01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:39.800 Um 01:17:40.800 --> 01:17:43.800 and yes, this particular 01:17:45.120 --> 01:17:45.496 we need 01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:46.456 Oh, I need a second. 01:17:46.480 --> 01:17:47.896 We need a second, 01:17:47.920 --> 01:17:50.376 Mr. Mayor. I'm happy for that to just be 01:17:50.400 --> 01:17:51.256 a great 01:17:51.280 --> 01:17:53.976 point three of the the motion. 01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:56.536 Good. I agree. Does I have a second? 01:17:56.560 --> 01:17:56.936 Yeah. 01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:58.135 You happy with that, Council? 01:17:58.159 --> 01:17:58.856 Yes. Good. 01:17:58.880 --> 01:18:01.496 That's great. Thank you. Um look just 01:18:01.520 --> 01:18:04.520 quickly this is this is in the vein of 01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:06.936 what we've what's just been discussed 01:18:06.960 --> 01:18:09.960 this is sort of upgrading our um our 01:18:10.320 --> 01:18:13.320 understanding of biodiversity. I see 01:18:13.440 --> 01:18:16.440 quite a often I see um biodiversity 01:18:18.080 --> 01:18:21.080 being written as it um like it is an is 01:18:22.719 --> 01:18:25.719 an entity. Biodiversity is a descriptive 01:18:26.320 --> 01:18:29.320 term and it describes the variety of 01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:34.199 living things and this particular um 01:18:37.120 --> 01:18:40.120 definition sort of strengthens 01:18:40.400 --> 01:18:43.400 um that that definition 01:18:43.679 --> 01:18:44.936 and [clears throat] doesn't take us down 01:18:44.960 --> 01:18:47.960 the path of where we were kind of going 01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:51.560 to before saying that biodiversity 01:18:52.560 --> 01:18:55.560 provides something. It doesn't provide 01:18:57.120 --> 01:19:00.120 um anything. It's a description of of um 01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:04.760 a measurable um it's it's a 01:19:05.280 --> 01:19:07.896 description of a measure. So when people 01:19:07.920 --> 01:19:10.920 say biodiversity gives us um clean air, 01:19:11.199 --> 01:19:14.199 clean water can it doesn't really. 01:19:14.880 --> 01:19:17.880 one tree um gives us oxygen. That's not 01:19:19.840 --> 01:19:22.695 a function of diversity. that's a 01:19:22.719 --> 01:19:25.719 function of its biology. So, it's just 01:19:26.400 --> 01:19:29.400 really I guess I'm I'm hanging I'm I'm 01:19:30.080 --> 01:19:32.135 speaking with my environmental scientist 01:19:32.159 --> 01:19:35.159 hat on. I think we have to upgrade this 01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:38.199 and especially for this policy because I 01:19:38.320 --> 01:19:40.616 agree with um councelor Lines Bucket 01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:43.640 that this is a really important policy. 01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:47.560 we have to start to think about the 01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:49.896 decisions we make and the world we live 01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:52.920 in in a in a different way and we we 01:19:53.520 --> 01:19:56.520 have to lead this. Um so 01:19:57.280 --> 01:20:00.280 I hope everybody is is okay with that 01:20:00.719 --> 01:20:03.719 upgrade. Um and it doesn't it really 01:20:04.400 --> 01:20:05.896 doesn't change anything else in the 01:20:05.920 --> 01:20:08.296 document. Um I commend the staff on this 01:20:08.320 --> 01:20:11.175 document. It is very well it's very well 01:20:11.199 --> 01:20:14.199 done and um I think it is probably worth 01:20:15.199 --> 01:20:17.896 um reading some of those documents 01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:20.616 about how this is how this has come 01:20:20.640 --> 01:20:23.640 about globally um because I think it's 01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:27.000 it's what we have to do um in order to 01:20:27.120 --> 01:20:28.856 make the best decisions for our 01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:31.880 community and for future communities as 01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:35.000 well. So thank you. 01:20:35.040 --> 01:20:37.976 Thank you councelor councelor Willer. 01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:41.000 thanks Mr. Mayor. No, I I too um would 01:20:41.440 --> 01:20:44.440 like to commend this policy. Um I think 01:20:44.719 --> 01:20:47.719 the the thing that I am most um excited 01:20:48.800 --> 01:20:50.776 about from this is the whole of council 01:20:50.800 --> 01:20:53.736 scope um in the policy that and the the 01:20:53.760 --> 01:20:56.215 six key principles which include 01:20:56.239 --> 01:20:57.816 intergenerational equity. And I think 01:20:57.840 --> 01:20:59.256 that's particularly relevant given that 01:20:59.280 --> 01:21:01.175 the budget that we've just passed in the 01:21:01.199 --> 01:21:04.135 previous in the previous item. Um I I 01:21:04.159 --> 01:21:05.416 really want to thank the staff for 01:21:05.440 --> 01:21:07.175 putting this together. I particularly 01:21:07.199 --> 01:21:08.695 want to thank the former general man the 01:21:08.719 --> 01:21:10.376 former general manager Elizabeth 01:21:10.400 --> 01:21:13.256 Richardson. Um I frankly didn't think a 01:21:13.280 --> 01:21:15.096 work of this scope was possible in this 01:21:15.120 --> 01:21:17.896 council a decade ago. a decade ago we 01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:19.336 were a council that barely acknowledged 01:21:19.360 --> 01:21:21.976 that climate change existed. We had to 01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:24.376 fight to get a sustainability um 01:21:24.400 --> 01:21:26.616 committee. and we had to fight to get 01:21:26.640 --> 01:21:29.640 any um to gain any ground at all on 01:21:30.400 --> 01:21:32.695 sustainability actions. So to see this 01:21:32.719 --> 01:21:35.096 now become the benchmark for our 01:21:35.120 --> 01:21:37.816 decision- making across the organization 01:21:37.840 --> 01:21:40.840 I think speaks to the um it speaks to 01:21:42.080 --> 01:21:43.736 to 01:21:43.760 --> 01:21:45.655 many of the disasters that we've faced 01:21:45.679 --> 01:21:48.679 as a as as an LGA but I think it also 01:21:49.040 --> 01:21:50.776 speaks to the growing maturity of this 01:21:50.800 --> 01:21:53.336 organization as well and our better 01:21:53.360 --> 01:21:55.736 understanding that we can't deny science 01:21:55.760 --> 01:21:57.655 that it's not science isn't like 01:21:57.679 --> 01:21:59.736 religion it's true whether you believe 01:21:59.760 --> 01:22:02.760 it or not. Um and I think um 01:22:03.840 --> 01:22:05.816 sustainability is something that that 01:22:05.840 --> 01:22:07.816 has benefits 01:22:07.840 --> 01:22:10.840 across across the the whole um of of the 01:22:11.920 --> 01:22:13.976 organization and also the whole of the 01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:17.000 LGA. Um there's just a couple of points 01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:19.655 that have been raised previously. Um 01:22:19.679 --> 01:22:20.936 there's an advantage in using 01:22:20.960 --> 01:22:22.695 established frameworks like the United 01:22:22.719 --> 01:22:24.135 Nations Development Goal. And you don't 01:22:24.159 --> 01:22:25.655 have to love the United Nations. you can 01:22:25.679 --> 01:22:27.175 still believe that they're poisoning us 01:22:27.199 --> 01:22:29.256 with chemtrails and that it's a global 01:22:29.280 --> 01:22:32.280 takeover um of of the planet for the 01:22:32.320 --> 01:22:35.320 advantage of I'm not quite sure who um 01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:37.816 but and and appreciate that the United 01:22:37.840 --> 01:22:39.496 Nations development goals provide a 01:22:39.520 --> 01:22:41.175 consistent framework across 01:22:41.199 --> 01:22:44.056 organizations um the University of 01:22:44.080 --> 01:22:46.536 Western Sydney which is the um top tier 01:22:46.560 --> 01:22:49.560 of education um organi um educational 01:22:50.239 --> 01:22:53.239 organizations across the in in the LGA 01:22:53.440 --> 01:22:56.376 are renowned internationally for their 01:22:56.400 --> 01:22:58.936 um adherence to the United Nations um 01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:01.960 development goals. Um the I'm also happy 01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:06.056 to with um councelor Kotlash's change to 01:23:06.080 --> 01:23:08.615 the biodiversity definition for two 01:23:08.639 --> 01:23:10.536 particular there's two elements that um 01:23:10.560 --> 01:23:12.936 of of that change that that I'm most 01:23:12.960 --> 01:23:15.960 pleased to see and um I'm we're blessed 01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:19.576 or burdened I'm not sure how you'd put 01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:21.576 it with three scientists around this 01:23:21.600 --> 01:23:22.936 chamber. So, you're probably going to 01:23:22.960 --> 01:23:24.536 get more comment on this stuff than you 01:23:24.560 --> 01:23:27.096 would in a number of spaces. But the 01:23:27.120 --> 01:23:30.120 this um the the change definition 01:23:32.320 --> 01:23:34.056 allows for an acknowledgement of 01:23:34.080 --> 01:23:37.080 redundancy, which as we know is key to 01:23:37.440 --> 01:23:40.440 resilience um as an as an as an 01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:43.496 organization and as an LGA. But it the 01:23:43.520 --> 01:23:46.520 principle of redundancy within biology 01:23:46.880 --> 01:23:49.880 is um is is one of it's one of the key 01:23:50.480 --> 01:23:53.416 principles of of biological res 01:23:53.440 --> 01:23:55.816 resilience. Um the more redundancy you 01:23:55.840 --> 01:23:58.456 have in a genome in an ecosystem in an 01:23:58.480 --> 01:24:01.480 organism the more resilient the 01:24:01.520 --> 01:24:04.520 better likely the better um that that 01:24:04.560 --> 01:24:07.560 organism is to adapt and survive. we 01:24:08.080 --> 01:24:09.976 as an organization also need that level 01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:11.576 of redundancy. It's not a waste of 01:24:11.600 --> 01:24:14.456 money. It's not um something that can be 01:24:14.480 --> 01:24:17.480 u fixed with some sort of economic um 01:24:21.040 --> 01:24:24.040 tidy up and and trimming of the fat. 01:24:24.320 --> 01:24:27.320 It's a vital element to u to survival 01:24:27.440 --> 01:24:30.440 and that um that idea of biodiversity is 01:24:30.560 --> 01:24:33.175 key. The other thing about that change 01:24:33.199 --> 01:24:35.896 to to the definition is that it it takes 01:24:35.920 --> 01:24:38.215 nature away from being a service and 01:24:38.239 --> 01:24:40.536 makes it a viable entity in itself. 01:24:40.560 --> 01:24:43.560 Nature should exist whether it serves us 01:24:44.480 --> 01:24:47.480 as humans or our economy or whatever um 01:24:48.480 --> 01:24:51.480 or not just because it it should exist. 01:24:52.719 --> 01:24:55.719 It makes it makes um it's a vital part 01:24:57.199 --> 01:24:59.896 of of our survival, but it's a vital 01:24:59.920 --> 01:25:02.920 part of the survival of the planet um 01:25:02.960 --> 01:25:05.960 and and ecosystems as well. 01:25:06.239 --> 01:25:07.896 Um, I'm really keen to hear the 01:25:07.920 --> 01:25:09.976 community's opinions um and to start 01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:11.655 referring to this policy when it comes 01:25:11.679 --> 01:25:14.056 to our decision-m. It's really important 01:25:14.080 --> 01:25:15.576 that this becomes the framework 01:25:15.600 --> 01:25:17.175 underlying our decisions that it doesn't 01:25:17.199 --> 01:25:19.416 end up in a dusty draw and that we run 01:25:19.440 --> 01:25:21.416 all our processes with this framework 01:25:21.440 --> 01:25:23.896 front of mind. It's the very least we 01:25:23.920 --> 01:25:25.416 owe the present, but it's also the very 01:25:25.440 --> 01:25:28.135 least we owe the future. Thanks. 01:25:28.159 --> 01:25:30.936 Thank you, councelor. [clears throat] 01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:33.175 Any further discussion? 01:25:33.199 --> 01:25:35.256 Councelor 01:25:35.280 --> 01:25:36.615 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. You'll probably 01:25:36.639 --> 01:25:38.376 pick up I'm not one of the scientists in 01:25:38.400 --> 01:25:41.400 the room at the moment. Um stands out, 01:25:42.480 --> 01:25:43.496 councelor. 01:25:43.520 --> 01:25:46.376 Thank you very much. I am a person, my 01:25:46.400 --> 01:25:48.776 own person. There's one example that 01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:51.800 I've that I believe um really should 01:25:52.000 --> 01:25:53.496 stand out to our community and our 01:25:53.520 --> 01:25:55.896 people is a good while ago council 01:25:55.920 --> 01:25:58.695 decided to go to electric vehicles. And 01:25:58.719 --> 01:26:00.856 how well has that served us in this last 01:26:00.880 --> 01:26:03.880 oil crisis? It has really kicked goals 01:26:04.159 --> 01:26:06.296 there and really taken the pressure off 01:26:06.320 --> 01:26:08.776 council because yeah just a fuel bill 01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:10.856 would have been excessive and these are 01:26:10.880 --> 01:26:12.456 little things I think people out there 01:26:12.480 --> 01:26:14.695 should be made aware of that council are 01:26:14.719 --> 01:26:16.456 making these good decisions these great 01:26:16.480 --> 01:26:18.376 decisions and moving forward and leading 01:26:18.400 --> 01:26:21.016 the way. So I thank you for that. 01:26:21.040 --> 01:26:23.256 Thank you councelor. 01:26:23.280 --> 01:26:25.096 Councelor Dur. 01:26:25.120 --> 01:26:26.615 thanks Mr. Mayor. I got a couple of 01:26:26.639 --> 01:26:29.016 questions if I can. Um, in regards to 01:26:29.040 --> 01:26:31.256 disaster resilience, does council do any 01:26:31.280 --> 01:26:34.280 work around the managed retreat program? 01:26:37.040 --> 01:26:38.856 General Manager. 01:26:38.880 --> 01:26:41.880 through you, Mr. Mayor. Um, 01:26:42.800 --> 01:26:45.800 I have to take that on notice, as I 01:26:46.320 --> 01:26:48.296 quickly grasp for various bits of policy 01:26:48.320 --> 01:26:51.320 in my head. Um 01:26:52.159 --> 01:26:54.695 to my knowledge there isn't any formal 01:26:54.719 --> 01:26:57.336 role for council in in what is publicly 01:26:57.360 --> 01:26:59.496 available. the reason I use publicly 01:26:59.520 --> 01:27:00.856 available is that we still have not yet 01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:02.695 seen the disaster adaptation plan which 01:27:02.719 --> 01:27:05.719 comes um from the state government. Um 01:27:06.080 --> 01:27:08.456 and the I've forgotten the term they use 01:27:08.480 --> 01:27:10.456 but the more substantial disaster 01:27:10.480 --> 01:27:12.456 adaptation plan which is being developed 01:27:12.480 --> 01:27:14.936 as we speak um still hasn't been 01:27:14.960 --> 01:27:17.336 provided to us as a draft. So I I can't 01:27:17.360 --> 01:27:20.360 comment on those two. Um but in terms 01:27:20.400 --> 01:27:23.400 of a formal role for council um I don't 01:27:23.679 --> 01:27:25.576 believe there is one for us but we'll 01:27:25.600 --> 01:27:28.600 confirm that. 01:27:29.360 --> 01:27:31.896 Um I I'm of the understanding that the 01:27:31.920 --> 01:27:33.496 sendi program and the management retreat 01:27:33.520 --> 01:27:35.416 program are supposed to be supposed to 01:27:35.440 --> 01:27:38.440 work in a collaborative manner. Um is 01:27:38.560 --> 01:27:39.816 that still your position that since 01:27:39.840 --> 01:27:41.016 we've not received any information on 01:27:41.040 --> 01:27:43.016 that we're not sure yet? 01:27:43.040 --> 01:27:44.936 through you Mr. The Sendai framework 01:27:44.960 --> 01:27:47.655 is a is a very high level global um 01:27:47.679 --> 01:27:50.456 framework for dealing with all disasters 01:27:50.480 --> 01:27:53.096 of all types. Um it's not specific to 01:27:53.120 --> 01:27:56.120 anyone natural hazard or or or um 01:27:56.239 --> 01:27:59.239 artificial hazard. Um it's it's as I 01:28:00.080 --> 01:28:02.615 said a very high level document um 01:28:02.639 --> 01:28:05.639 consisting of four key areas um and and 01:28:06.480 --> 01:28:09.175 seven targets about reducing mortality 01:28:09.199 --> 01:28:11.336 reducing impacts both human and 01:28:11.360 --> 01:28:14.215 financial um increasing awareness 01:28:14.239 --> 01:28:17.096 increasing disaster risk um planning 01:28:17.120 --> 01:28:18.936 increasing governance around disaster 01:28:18.960 --> 01:28:21.416 risk reduction and so forth. So I'm I'm 01:28:21.440 --> 01:28:24.135 not aware of any hard link to a managed 01:28:24.159 --> 01:28:26.936 retreat program. 01:28:26.960 --> 01:28:29.960 council. 01:28:30.400 --> 01:28:33.400 Um, well, the the reason I ask is is 01:28:33.679 --> 01:28:34.936 that recently there was a push to raise 01:28:34.960 --> 01:28:37.416 the flood planning level to 19 m when 01:28:37.440 --> 01:28:39.175 the average of our top 10 floods is only 01:28:39.199 --> 01:28:42.199 13 m and only one flood ever over 15.1. 01:28:43.120 --> 01:28:45.096 And if we were to add the 1.2 m to 01:28:45.120 --> 01:28:46.456 account for global warming to the year 01:28:46.480 --> 01:28:49.416 2,100, that only gives us a flood level 01:28:49.440 --> 01:28:52.440 of 16.3 m. community members are 01:28:52.560 --> 01:28:54.056 concerned that the 19 m flood planning 01:28:54.080 --> 01:28:56.456 level is unnecessary hysteria and 01:28:56.480 --> 01:28:57.816 further there is a suggestion that the 01:28:57.840 --> 01:28:59.336 state is looking at a 21 m flood 01:28:59.360 --> 01:29:01.256 planning level which would potentially 01:29:01.280 --> 01:29:02.936 make one half of the horses flood 01:29:02.960 --> 01:29:05.896 disaster zoned and one half fire 01:29:05.920 --> 01:29:08.920 disaster zoned and I understand the UN 01:29:09.199 --> 01:29:10.695 claims that the aim is to proactively 01:29:10.719 --> 01:29:12.376 remove communities before disasters 01:29:12.400 --> 01:29:15.400 occur. Um through you Mr. off this 01:29:15.600 --> 01:29:17.576 policy. What What's the chances that at 01:29:17.600 --> 01:29:20.376 some point we might be considering 01:29:20.400 --> 01:29:21.816 removing people off their properties due 01:29:21.840 --> 01:29:24.840 to forecasted potential events? 01:29:27.199 --> 01:29:29.336 It's true. That that calls for a level 01:29:29.360 --> 01:29:32.360 of speculation I'm not prepared to make. 01:29:32.880 --> 01:29:35.880 Thank you. 01:29:38.880 --> 01:29:40.615 Any further debate? Thank you, 01:29:40.639 --> 01:29:43.639 councilors. Um, broad reply council. 01:29:44.239 --> 01:29:46.215 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Mr. 01:29:46.239 --> 01:29:48.456 Mayor. And I just think just with view 01:29:48.480 --> 01:29:50.135 to what councelor Djuricy just said, I 01:29:50.159 --> 01:29:51.336 mean, the uncertainty and the 01:29:51.360 --> 01:29:54.296 unpredictability of what lies ahead u 01:29:54.320 --> 01:29:56.776 makes it very difficult for us to do 01:29:56.800 --> 01:29:58.695 that. But I do believe that the manage 01:29:58.719 --> 01:30:01.175 retreat um 01:30:01.199 --> 01:30:02.776 01:30:02.800 --> 01:30:05.800 concept is part of the current flood 01:30:06.159 --> 01:30:08.135 studies being done by the state 01:30:08.159 --> 01:30:10.456 government. I'm not 100% sure, but I 01:30:10.480 --> 01:30:11.976 think there was some reference to it at 01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:15.000 the flood conference. Um 01:30:15.760 --> 01:30:18.760 I do agree um with the addition of the 01:30:19.760 --> 01:30:22.135 definition from councelor Kotlash. Thank 01:30:22.159 --> 01:30:25.159 you for that. with a policy like 01:30:25.199 --> 01:30:27.336 this, the interaction of ecosystems of 01:30:27.360 --> 01:30:29.736 course lies at the very core of of what 01:30:29.760 --> 01:30:32.760 this policy is about. So overall we know 01:30:33.040 --> 01:30:35.016 that the notion of sustainability 01:30:35.040 --> 01:30:36.776 relates to the capacity of us to 01:30:36.800 --> 01:30:39.496 flourish over the long term. It's about 01:30:39.520 --> 01:30:42.520 the balance we need to enable and 01:30:42.719 --> 01:30:45.576 support us to grow appropriately within 01:30:45.600 --> 01:30:47.655 our means and without burdening those 01:30:47.679 --> 01:30:50.679 who come after us. Um we need to 01:30:51.280 --> 01:30:53.496 acknowledge of course that nature has an 01:30:53.520 --> 01:30:56.520 intrinsic value that we must uphold 01:30:57.520 --> 01:30:59.816 and we must acknowledge and that the 01:30:59.840 --> 01:31:02.840 systems around that nature require um to 01:31:03.840 --> 01:31:06.376 remain healthy resilient and adaptable 01:31:06.400 --> 01:31:09.400 over time. So with that framework in 01:31:09.920 --> 01:31:12.215 mind, we [clears throat] have generated 01:31:12.239 --> 01:31:15.239 a policy that can implement those 01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:18.840 notions along the way. And um I'm very 01:31:19.520 --> 01:31:22.520 pleased to see it. Um, I thank Councelor 01:31:23.440 --> 01:31:26.296 Ryan for raising the benefits of 01:31:26.320 --> 01:31:29.320 electric vehicles, um, which we know has 01:31:29.360 --> 01:31:32.360 occurred here, um, and, will 01:31:33.040 --> 01:31:35.896 continue to, provide benefits for us 01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:38.856 into the future as more of these, 01:31:38.880 --> 01:31:41.175 various targets we have around 01:31:41.199 --> 01:31:44.199 transitioning, um, in a new world, so to 01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:48.840 speak, in a new climate. Um, and I do 01:31:49.440 --> 01:31:51.976 urge really urge the public to give us 01:31:52.000 --> 01:31:53.576 their point of view on this and look 01:31:53.600 --> 01:31:55.496 forward to reading that. Thank you, Mr. 01:31:55.520 --> 01:31:58.456 Mayor. Thank you, councelor. 01:31:58.480 --> 01:32:01.480 the motion's on page 39. Um, it's 01:32:03.280 --> 01:32:04.776 10.3.1. 01:32:04.800 --> 01:32:07.800 Those in favor? 01:32:09.520 --> 01:32:12.520 Those against? The motion's carried. The 01:32:13.120 --> 01:32:14.615 motion was carried by councelor 01:32:14.639 --> 01:32:17.096 Zamrognner. Wheeler, lines, bucket, 01:32:17.120 --> 01:32:18.776 Brian, 01:32:18.800 --> 01:32:21.800 McMahon, Kotlash, Veigel, Reardon, and 01:32:22.320 --> 01:32:25.320 Sheather. And those against was, um, 01:32:26.719 --> 01:32:29.719 councelor Djuricich. The motion's carried. 01:32:32.400 --> 01:32:35.400 The next item is 10.3.2. 01:32:36.880 --> 01:32:39.736 Council McMahon, you had a declaration. 01:32:39.760 --> 01:32:41.096 Yeah, thank you, Mr. Mayor. I have a 01:32:41.120 --> 01:32:44.056 pecuniary and a significant non-punerary 01:32:44.080 --> 01:32:47.080 interest and all as I can say is that 01:32:47.280 --> 01:32:49.416 people I was previously associated with 01:32:49.440 --> 01:32:52.440 are involved in one of the DAs and I did 01:32:52.639 --> 01:32:55.639 not write down the number. Um 01:32:57.440 --> 01:32:58.536 it's the second one. I think 01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:00.776 it's the second one. That will do. Thank 01:33:00.800 --> 01:33:02.615 you, Mr. Mayor. I'll leave the room. 01:33:02.639 --> 01:33:05.639 Thank you. 01:33:07.280 --> 01:33:10.280 councelor Willie, you you 01:33:13.840 --> 01:33:16.840 you marked this off. 01:33:17.520 --> 01:33:19.175 Um, I'm happy to move the 01:33:19.199 --> 01:33:20.936 recommendation, Mr. Mayor. I just have a 01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:21.336 question. 01:33:21.360 --> 01:33:23.096 Second, Mr. May. 01:33:23.120 --> 01:33:24.615 Thank you, Council Was Council Lines 01:33:24.639 --> 01:33:25.976 Bucket. 01:33:26.000 --> 01:33:29.000 Um, just a a question regarding um the 01:33:29.280 --> 01:33:32.280 um DA for 100 Ferry Road. Um could could 01:33:34.320 --> 01:33:37.320 councilors be provided with um with any 01:33:37.600 --> 01:33:40.296 input that council has um to the consent 01:33:40.320 --> 01:33:42.776 has made to the consent authority here? 01:33:42.800 --> 01:33:44.296 I'm particularly interested in whether 01:33:44.320 --> 01:33:46.776 we've made comments regarding impact on 01:33:46.800 --> 01:33:49.800 road infrastructure the flood plane 01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:52.776 um from any additional fill um on that 01:33:52.800 --> 01:33:55.800 um on that site and um and impacts on 01:33:55.920 --> 01:33:57.816 storm water. Um so you'll note that 01:33:57.840 --> 01:34:00.840 that's um for a um concrete recycling 01:34:03.040 --> 01:34:06.040 plant. Um it comes off um a number of 01:34:06.320 --> 01:34:09.320 local roads. they are big heavy 01:34:09.600 --> 01:34:12.600 trucks and they cause us a lot of co a 01:34:13.040 --> 01:34:14.695 lot of damage and therefore a lot of 01:34:14.719 --> 01:34:17.719 expense. And this while that is an 01:34:17.920 --> 01:34:20.615 industrial area, it's um it's a cost 01:34:20.639 --> 01:34:23.639 that that is really a lot to to bear for 01:34:24.159 --> 01:34:25.736 this community given that the majority 01:34:25.760 --> 01:34:27.736 of the stuff being trucked in and out 01:34:27.760 --> 01:34:29.976 will not find its either its um 01:34:30.000 --> 01:34:32.856 beginning or its end in this LGA. and 01:34:32.880 --> 01:34:34.215 I think we need to make our feelings 01:34:34.239 --> 01:34:36.936 known to the consent authority. Thanks. 01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:39.960 Thank you. Um there's a question there. 01:34:41.280 --> 01:34:43.576 yes, through you Mr. Mayor. Yes, we 01:34:43.600 --> 01:34:46.600 can provide that to the counselors. 01:34:47.679 --> 01:34:48.776 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, 01:34:48.800 --> 01:34:49.816 excellence bucket. 01:34:49.840 --> 01:34:52.536 Thank you. I also just had a 01:34:52.560 --> 01:34:54.296 question. I just wanted to know with 01:34:54.320 --> 01:34:56.456 these applications that are state 01:34:56.480 --> 01:34:59.175 significant um of which there are 01:34:59.199 --> 01:35:02.199 several at different stages of the 01:35:02.639 --> 01:35:05.336 process. Um 01:35:05.360 --> 01:35:08.360 we will we get any so for example the 01:35:08.800 --> 01:35:11.800 school proposed at Speeds Road Oakville 01:35:11.840 --> 01:35:14.840 which is up to preparing an EIS. Will 01:35:15.360 --> 01:35:18.360 we get a time frame or or like will we 01:35:19.360 --> 01:35:21.336 get any more information about any of 01:35:21.360 --> 01:35:23.736 these? Also the one of preparing the 01:35:23.760 --> 01:35:26.695 Sears for the um the one at Hermitage 01:35:26.719 --> 01:35:29.719 Road for the islands. Um will we will 01:35:30.960 --> 01:35:33.175 counselors get any more information or 01:35:33.199 --> 01:35:35.816 are we just to monitor on the um state 01:35:35.840 --> 01:35:37.976 portal? 01:35:38.000 --> 01:35:40.215 through you Mr. Mayor. Yes, we can 01:35:40.239 --> 01:35:42.536 provide counselors with an update on 01:35:42.560 --> 01:35:45.560 these major um SSDAS as they progress 01:35:46.400 --> 01:35:49.096 through um and we can also keep 01:35:49.120 --> 01:35:51.736 councilors updated when we make comments 01:35:51.760 --> 01:35:54.215 on on those applications. 01:35:54.239 --> 01:35:57.239 Thank you. Much appreciated. 01:35:58.080 --> 01:36:00.776 Any further debate? 01:36:00.800 --> 01:36:03.416 write a reply. 01:36:03.440 --> 01:36:04.936 Council Wheeler. 01:36:04.960 --> 01:36:06.936 Not necessary, Mr. Mayor. 01:36:06.960 --> 01:36:08.456 Thank you, councilors. the 01:36:08.480 --> 01:36:11.480 recommendations on page 45 10.3.2. Those 01:36:12.159 --> 01:36:15.159 in favor? 01:36:16.639 --> 01:36:19.096 Those against? The motion's carried. 01:36:19.120 --> 01:36:21.896 Councelor Zan Brognner, Council Wheeler, 01:36:21.920 --> 01:36:24.056 Lines, Bucket, 01:36:24.080 --> 01:36:27.080 Ryan, Djuricich, Cotash, 01:36:27.840 --> 01:36:30.376 Vel, Reardon, and Sheather. The 01:36:30.400 --> 01:36:33.400 motion's carried. 01:36:34.639 --> 01:36:37.639 The next item is 103.3. 01:36:38.719 --> 01:36:40.456 Um, 01:36:40.480 --> 01:36:42.776 Council Wheeler, you you um call that 01:36:42.800 --> 01:36:44.376 up. 01:36:44.400 --> 01:36:44.615 Um, 01:36:44.639 --> 01:36:46.056 I'll move the recommendation in the 01:36:46.080 --> 01:36:49.080 business paper, Mr. Mayor. 01:36:49.679 --> 01:36:52.679 was second by councelor Vel. 01:36:55.840 --> 01:36:58.456 Couple of questions. Um first if I may, 01:36:58.480 --> 01:37:01.480 um do do we know if council was the 01:37:02.239 --> 01:37:04.695 certifier of this building um when it 01:37:04.719 --> 01:37:07.719 was when it was constructed? 01:37:07.840 --> 01:37:10.536 I'd have to take that on notice, Mr. 01:37:10.560 --> 01:37:10.856 Mayor. 01:37:10.880 --> 01:37:13.256 Um thanks. And then a a follow-up 01:37:13.280 --> 01:37:15.336 question to that um and I'm again happy 01:37:15.360 --> 01:37:17.896 to take it on notice. were the 01:37:17.920 --> 01:37:19.496 penetrations through the first floor 01:37:19.520 --> 01:37:22.215 floor slab recent or would they have 01:37:22.239 --> 01:37:23.816 been evident at the time of initial 01:37:23.840 --> 01:37:26.215 occupancy inspection? or are they 01:37:26.239 --> 01:37:28.056 something that's likely to have occurred 01:37:28.080 --> 01:37:30.376 with the addition of of um extra 01:37:30.400 --> 01:37:32.296 services down the track? This building 01:37:32.320 --> 01:37:35.016 has been around is about 10 12 years 01:37:35.040 --> 01:37:37.496 old. Um from memory it was quite 01:37:37.520 --> 01:37:38.936 controversial when it was built because 01:37:38.960 --> 01:37:41.175 of its um orangess. [clears throat] 01:37:41.199 --> 01:37:44.199 Um so and its placement at the bottom 01:37:44.480 --> 01:37:47.095 of um of Fitzgerald Street surrounded by 01:37:47.119 --> 01:37:49.016 other heritage buildings. So it did 01:37:49.040 --> 01:37:52.040 attract quite a bit of attention. Um but 01:37:52.960 --> 01:37:54.856 the these are really significant hazards 01:37:54.880 --> 01:37:57.816 in a residential building that is quite 01:37:57.840 --> 01:38:00.376 new. I mean it's jolly new for Windsor. 01:38:00.400 --> 01:38:03.400 Um it's it's pretty devastating to see 01:38:04.239 --> 01:38:06.776 breaches of this type um and this 01:38:06.800 --> 01:38:09.800 magnitude in such an a young building. 01:38:10.239 --> 01:38:11.816 I'll just get that question answered for 01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:13.175 you, councelor, in relation to 01:38:13.199 --> 01:38:14.056 Oh, sure. 01:38:14.080 --> 01:38:15.816 yes. Through you, Mr. Mayor. I'll 01:38:15.840 --> 01:38:17.256 take that on notice, but we will be able 01:38:17.280 --> 01:38:19.175 to come back with the level of detail to 01:38:19.199 --> 01:38:19.896 answer that question. 01:38:19.920 --> 01:38:22.456 Thank you. 01:38:22.480 --> 01:38:25.095 I don't know. 01:38:25.119 --> 01:38:27.976 Oh, was it as 01:38:28.000 --> 01:38:29.976 Sorry. Um, council, sorry, Mr. Mayor. 01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:31.336 Council Lines Bucket has just showed me 01:38:31.360 --> 01:38:33.576 that council wasn't the certifier. She's 01:38:33.600 --> 01:38:35.896 found the certification documents. Um, 01:38:35.920 --> 01:38:38.920 so I there's um I think that there 01:38:39.040 --> 01:38:40.456 there's questions around the hydrant 01:38:40.480 --> 01:38:43.480 feed pipe as well. Um, 01:38:44.239 --> 01:38:47.239 so I think you 01:38:48.000 --> 01:38:49.736 think this is the these are really 01:38:49.760 --> 01:38:52.296 concerning. We've we've not worried a 01:38:52.320 --> 01:38:55.175 great deal about the um about lower 01:38:55.199 --> 01:38:58.135 building standards and and um and 01:38:58.159 --> 01:39:01.159 problems because we haven't got a lot of 01:39:01.360 --> 01:39:04.360 um multi-story residential um buildings 01:39:05.679 --> 01:39:07.816 and so we've we've been able to be a 01:39:07.840 --> 01:39:10.215 little bit maybe blasze around this 01:39:10.239 --> 01:39:11.896 year. We we don't have anything with the 01:39:11.920 --> 01:39:13.736 cladding of the type from the Granfell 01:39:13.760 --> 01:39:16.615 tower that sort of stuff. So when I yeah 01:39:16.639 --> 01:39:18.936 this is I I find this quite shocking 01:39:18.960 --> 01:39:21.175 that we have a building with so many 01:39:21.199 --> 01:39:23.976 breaches some of which are beyond you 01:39:24.000 --> 01:39:25.416 know some of which are are going to 01:39:25.440 --> 01:39:27.736 require some of it is is just bad 01:39:27.760 --> 01:39:29.576 maintenance but some of these are 01:39:29.600 --> 01:39:31.336 significant breaches to the structural 01:39:31.360 --> 01:39:33.175 integrity of the building and that's 01:39:33.199 --> 01:39:35.816 really concerning um what's all what's 01:39:35.840 --> 01:39:37.576 happened can I also ask then what's 01:39:37.600 --> 01:39:39.095 happened in the it's more than a month 01:39:39.119 --> 01:39:41.655 since the correspondence was sent what's 01:39:41.679 --> 01:39:43.175 happened in the interim has this been 01:39:43.199 --> 01:39:44.615 corrected and what's the threat 01:39:44.639 --> 01:39:46.536 threshold then how long does this 01:39:46.560 --> 01:39:48.056 building get to stay non-compliant 01:39:48.080 --> 01:39:50.695 before we start to crack down on on 01:39:50.719 --> 01:39:53.175 people actually living in it 01:39:53.199 --> 01:39:54.776 through you Mr. Mayor our first 01:39:54.800 --> 01:39:56.936 approach is to work with the owner of 01:39:56.960 --> 01:39:59.256 the building and then um as indicated in 01:39:59.280 --> 01:40:00.776 the report if we need to move to a 01:40:00.800 --> 01:40:03.800 notice and order regime we will um in 01:40:03.840 --> 01:40:05.336 answer to your specific question I'll 01:40:05.360 --> 01:40:07.336 come back to councilors with um an 01:40:07.360 --> 01:40:10.360 update on what's happened in the interim 01:40:11.600 --> 01:40:13.655 thank you that that's all Mr. Thank you, 01:40:13.679 --> 01:40:15.496 councelor. You said you could clarify 01:40:15.520 --> 01:40:18.296 the certification of the building. 01:40:18.320 --> 01:40:20.456 I just looked up on the DA tracker and 01:40:20.480 --> 01:40:22.215 it was private certified. 01:40:22.239 --> 01:40:25.239 Thank you. 01:40:26.080 --> 01:40:29.080 Any further discussion? Councilors. 01:40:30.880 --> 01:40:32.695 Right. Reply. Councelor Wheeler. 01:40:32.719 --> 01:40:34.536 Not necessary. Mr. Mayor, 01:40:34.560 --> 01:40:37.175 the motion's before you on count on page 01:40:37.199 --> 01:40:40.199 53. Council is 10.3.3. Those in 01:40:40.800 --> 01:40:43.416 favor? 01:40:43.440 --> 01:40:46.056 against the motions carried. It's 01:40:46.080 --> 01:40:47.095 councilor [clears throat] Zan Brognner, 01:40:47.119 --> 01:40:49.496 Council Will, Lines Bucket, Ryan, 01:40:49.520 --> 01:40:52.520 Djuricick, Mcmah, Kotlash, Vel, Reardon, and 01:40:53.040 --> 01:40:56.040 Shea. The next item councilors 01:40:57.440 --> 01:41:00.440 is 10.5.1. 01:41:02.880 --> 01:41:05.816 Move that, Mr. Mayor. 01:41:05.840 --> 01:41:07.976 Count there's a couple of decorations. 01:41:08.000 --> 01:41:08.456 Is it? 01:41:08.480 --> 01:41:11.480 Sorry. Settle down. 01:41:15.360 --> 01:41:17.336 So there's a 01:41:17.360 --> 01:41:20.360 declaration. 01:41:22.320 --> 01:41:23.896 Um I have a less than significant 01:41:23.920 --> 01:41:26.920 nonpunerary interest in item 10.5.1. 01:41:27.280 --> 01:41:29.416 I'm a member of the New South Wales 01:41:29.440 --> 01:41:31.336 RFS Hawkesbury Communications Brigade 01:41:31.360 --> 01:41:32.776 which works from the fire control 01:41:32.800 --> 01:41:34.456 center. My son is a member of 01:41:34.480 --> 01:41:36.456 Wubberforce Brigade. Um the new fire 01:41:36.480 --> 01:41:37.816 shed for which is detailed in the 01:41:37.840 --> 01:41:39.816 report. The reason for no further action 01:41:39.840 --> 01:41:41.576 is that does not meet the threshold for 01:41:41.600 --> 01:41:42.936 significance. 01:41:42.960 --> 01:41:44.776 Thank you councelor deputy mayor. 01:41:44.800 --> 01:41:46.215 Thank thank you Mr. Mayor. I have a less 01:41:46.239 --> 01:41:48.695 than significant non-punerary interest. 01:41:48.719 --> 01:41:50.376 The new fire control center for the New 01:41:50.400 --> 01:41:52.776 South Wales RFS in the Hawkesbury is 01:41:52.800 --> 01:41:54.215 discussed and I'm a member of the New 01:41:54.239 --> 01:41:56.376 South Wales RFS Hawkesbury Communications 01:41:56.400 --> 01:41:58.135 Brigade which is located inside that 01:41:58.159 --> 01:42:00.056 building. There is no pecunary interest. 01:42:00.080 --> 01:42:01.496 I'll stay in the room. Thank you. 01:42:01.520 --> 01:42:04.135 Thank you. 01:42:04.159 --> 01:42:06.936 Um could I have a motion please? I'll 01:42:06.960 --> 01:42:09.016 move the recommendation in the business 01:42:09.040 --> 01:42:12.040 paper. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 01:42:12.800 --> 01:42:15.496 01:42:15.520 --> 01:42:18.520 Council Scot. 01:42:18.719 --> 01:42:21.496 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, I'd like to 01:42:21.520 --> 01:42:24.520 commend whoever wrote this report um on 01:42:24.800 --> 01:42:27.800 its clarity and how clear it is. Um, I 01:42:29.119 --> 01:42:32.119 like the color coding, I've got to say. 01:42:32.639 --> 01:42:35.639 Um it's a very clear format and the 01:42:35.679 --> 01:42:38.056 categorization of how the capital works 01:42:38.080 --> 01:42:41.080 program is progressing is very easy to 01:42:41.520 --> 01:42:44.215 follow. I think it's a particularly good 01:42:44.239 --> 01:42:47.239 document as we go into this realm of 01:42:48.080 --> 01:42:50.776 having so many works that we've got to 01:42:50.800 --> 01:42:53.800 be alerting the public about. I mean 01:42:54.159 --> 01:42:56.135 it's always a good document. I just I 01:42:56.159 --> 01:42:58.615 think the color just is is a new thing 01:42:58.639 --> 01:43:01.639 and I love I love the color. Um 01:43:02.719 --> 01:43:05.175 but I think just looking at that it's a 01:43:05.199 --> 01:43:07.336 very important document because it does 01:43:07.360 --> 01:43:10.296 update for this quarter how these 01:43:10.320 --> 01:43:13.320 major projects are tracking and it's 01:43:13.679 --> 01:43:16.056 delivering full transparency of course 01:43:16.080 --> 01:43:19.080 of exactly how these projects are going 01:43:19.360 --> 01:43:22.296 and this is information I think which is 01:43:22.320 --> 01:43:25.320 current at March 2026 and I I'm assuming 01:43:26.159 --> 01:43:28.695 it's still quite current. It could have 01:43:28.719 --> 01:43:31.719 changed. Um I I'll speak to it as it is 01:43:31.840 --> 01:43:34.840 in the business paper. Um and so we see 01:43:34.880 --> 01:43:37.336 that the health status within the 01:43:37.360 --> 01:43:40.360 program of capital works is that 19 01:43:41.119 --> 01:43:43.655 are on track, five have a potential 01:43:43.679 --> 01:43:45.816 issue which is all explained in this 01:43:45.840 --> 01:43:48.615 document and one has an escalation issue 01:43:48.639 --> 01:43:51.639 which is a legal matter connected to it. 01:43:51.679 --> 01:43:54.296 So it's very important information. It's 01:43:54.320 --> 01:43:57.320 extremely comprehensive. It itemizes the 01:43:58.400 --> 01:44:01.400 stage the projects are at. Itemizes any 01:44:01.520 --> 01:44:04.520 issues. It has the budgetary 01:44:04.560 --> 01:44:07.560 supporting information. It really allows 01:44:08.960 --> 01:44:11.960 you to see how much work is being done 01:44:12.400 --> 01:44:15.400 and what stage all of that work is at. 01:44:15.679 --> 01:44:18.679 though that um there's really clear 01:44:19.119 --> 01:44:20.776 descriptions of the projects and I think 01:44:20.800 --> 01:44:23.256 that's what people have been you know 01:44:23.280 --> 01:44:25.336 saying they're not getting and yet here 01:44:25.360 --> 01:44:28.360 they all are in these various documents. 01:44:29.119 --> 01:44:31.736 Um it does identify the challenges and 01:44:31.760 --> 01:44:33.576 we know we have the challenges and so 01:44:33.600 --> 01:44:35.416 there are descriptions around why we 01:44:35.440 --> 01:44:37.576 have those challenges and even the 01:44:37.600 --> 01:44:39.175 impacts of things happening in the 01:44:39.199 --> 01:44:42.056 Middle East for example or other um 01:44:42.080 --> 01:44:44.936 hurdles that come up. It includes some 01:44:44.960 --> 01:44:47.816 big projects um and shows just how much 01:44:47.840 --> 01:44:50.840 of those projects each one is at. So for 01:44:51.360 --> 01:44:54.360 example something like Fernadel Park, 01:44:54.560 --> 01:44:56.856 we see the levels of progress are that 01:44:56.880 --> 01:44:59.655 70% of the internal pathways complete. 01:44:59.679 --> 01:45:02.679 The sporting fields and landscaping 43% 01:45:02.719 --> 01:45:04.615 complete. I do assume there's been more 01:45:04.639 --> 01:45:06.215 done at Fernardell since the end of 01:45:06.239 --> 01:45:07.576 March because I think we were there 01:45:07.600 --> 01:45:10.600 after March. But yeah, so um and the 01:45:11.119 --> 01:45:13.976 fencing work is 80% complete and the 01:45:14.000 --> 01:45:16.615 community center is having its tender 01:45:16.639 --> 01:45:19.639 evaluation completed. So it's a great 01:45:20.480 --> 01:45:22.936 project progressing well and a fantastic 01:45:22.960 --> 01:45:25.960 asset for the people of Utah. Um and 01:45:26.239 --> 01:45:28.056 there's similar information for all the 01:45:28.080 --> 01:45:30.776 major projects there. So if you've got a 01:45:30.800 --> 01:45:32.695 particular interest in it, you can read 01:45:32.719 --> 01:45:34.536 through a document like this and see for 01:45:34.560 --> 01:45:36.615 each quarter just how much of that 01:45:36.639 --> 01:45:39.576 project has been done. it's a good 01:45:39.600 --> 01:45:42.056 source of information. It's a better 01:45:42.080 --> 01:45:45.080 source than online commentary perhaps or 01:45:45.199 --> 01:45:48.056 alarmism that you may read elsewhere. 01:45:48.080 --> 01:45:51.080 You can really see which how what 01:45:51.199 --> 01:45:53.175 percentage of the progress has been 01:45:53.199 --> 01:45:56.199 done. You'll also note that in the 01:45:56.960 --> 01:45:59.960 report it addresses key recovery works 01:46:01.119 --> 01:46:04.119 and such was the extent of damage from 01:46:04.480 --> 01:46:07.256 what we have been impacted with that we 01:46:07.280 --> 01:46:09.816 still have you know work around 01:46:09.840 --> 01:46:12.840 landslips and work related to the 01:46:12.880 --> 01:46:14.776 natural disasters we've suffered. We 01:46:14.800 --> 01:46:16.936 still have that going on. [snorts] It 01:46:16.960 --> 01:46:18.856 does also show when you look at the 01:46:18.880 --> 01:46:20.856 overall picture that there's still much 01:46:20.880 --> 01:46:23.336 to do and we know that there's much to 01:46:23.360 --> 01:46:26.360 do and we are getting on with it. But I 01:46:26.880 --> 01:46:29.880 do urge people to read through to look 01:46:30.880 --> 01:46:32.456 at this which will then be in 01:46:32.480 --> 01:46:34.056 conjunction as well with the new 01:46:34.080 --> 01:46:36.695 information that's put out about the SRV 01:46:36.719 --> 01:46:39.256 so that you can monitor just exactly the 01:46:39.280 --> 01:46:42.215 progress and if if you have questions 01:46:42.239 --> 01:46:44.536 for the council or the counselors then 01:46:44.560 --> 01:46:47.016 you can ask based on factual information 01:46:47.040 --> 01:46:48.695 that has been presented to the 01:46:48.719 --> 01:46:50.856 community. Thank you. 01:46:50.880 --> 01:46:53.256 Thanks councelor. 01:46:53.280 --> 01:46:56.135 Any further discussion? 01:46:56.159 --> 01:46:57.336 Council Wheeler. 01:46:57.360 --> 01:47:00.360 Um, thanks Mr. Mayor. U, I think it's 01:47:00.400 --> 01:47:03.400 worth noting that this report is current 01:47:03.440 --> 01:47:06.056 as of the end of March and so we 01:47:06.080 --> 01:47:07.816 actually have progressed further since 01:47:07.840 --> 01:47:09.416 then. we've had two and a half 01:47:09.440 --> 01:47:12.296 months of um, of further work and that's 01:47:12.320 --> 01:47:14.776 um, I think that's worth noting. 01:47:14.800 --> 01:47:17.095 I I I do agree with Council Alliance 01:47:17.119 --> 01:47:19.496 bucket. This was really easy to to to 01:47:19.520 --> 01:47:21.336 read and to understand. It's a really 01:47:21.360 --> 01:47:24.215 nice format I think and and goes to 01:47:24.239 --> 01:47:27.239 the um the plain language um 01:47:27.600 --> 01:47:30.600 presentation that um and and um capacity 01:47:31.520 --> 01:47:34.520 to to to see progress and see whether 01:47:34.560 --> 01:47:36.135 we're on track that the community is 01:47:36.159 --> 01:47:38.215 asking for. So I think this is this is 01:47:38.239 --> 01:47:41.016 really useful. Um as is the um the 01:47:41.040 --> 01:47:43.496 project delivery um expenditure 01:47:43.520 --> 01:47:46.520 information. Um I do notice that um that 01:47:48.400 --> 01:47:51.400 yeah that 19 projects are on track and I 01:47:51.679 --> 01:47:53.496 think one of the things that we should 01:47:53.520 --> 01:47:55.896 we should think about is what our 01:47:55.920 --> 01:47:58.376 organizational organizational capacity 01:47:58.400 --> 01:48:01.256 was back in 2020 you know where we were 01:48:01.280 --> 01:48:04.280 um halfway through an the SRV um to 01:48:04.800 --> 01:48:07.800 catch up with infrastructure backlog and 01:48:08.159 --> 01:48:11.159 unbeknownst to us with um years of 01:48:12.960 --> 01:48:15.175 natural disasters coming our way and 01:48:15.199 --> 01:48:17.976 we've managed um to upscale as an 01:48:18.000 --> 01:48:21.000 organization to to both deliver the 01:48:21.600 --> 01:48:23.256 recovery for from those natural 01:48:23.280 --> 01:48:25.976 disasters but also now look at um some 01:48:26.000 --> 01:48:29.000 really major capital works. Um I I'd 01:48:29.520 --> 01:48:30.695 love a figure. I don't know if it's 01:48:30.719 --> 01:48:33.719 possible um Mr. May there on what our um 01:48:36.080 --> 01:48:38.056 capital works delivery was in dollar 01:48:38.080 --> 01:48:41.080 terms back in 2020 and what what it is 01:48:41.199 --> 01:48:44.199 um now coming into 2026 so that we can 01:48:44.239 --> 01:48:46.615 really look at um at the percentage of 01:48:46.639 --> 01:48:49.175 upscale that we've that we've seen in 01:48:49.199 --> 01:48:51.576 those um in those figures 01:48:51.600 --> 01:48:53.016 through you Mr. 01:48:53.040 --> 01:48:55.976 the the the capital spend in a strict 01:48:56.000 --> 01:48:59.000 financial sense um varies in in terms 01:49:00.400 --> 01:49:01.736 of the deliverable outcomes for 01:49:01.760 --> 01:49:03.416 community for for projects on the 01:49:03.440 --> 01:49:06.440 ground. In round terms um up to 2020 01:49:07.520 --> 01:49:08.936 this organization used to deliver 01:49:08.960 --> 01:49:11.175 approximately $20 million a year in 01:49:11.199 --> 01:49:14.199 projects. Um for the last 3 years that 01:49:14.400 --> 01:49:17.400 number has been between um 75 and just 01:49:17.760 --> 01:49:20.376 under $100 million. So, it's between a 01:49:20.400 --> 01:49:23.400 four and fivefold increase. 01:49:25.280 --> 01:49:26.615 Thank you. I knew the general manager 01:49:26.639 --> 01:49:29.175 would have his engineers brain around um 01:49:29.199 --> 01:49:31.896 around the and and have some numbers um 01:49:31.920 --> 01:49:34.215 even if they are a bit um a bit fast and 01:49:34.239 --> 01:49:37.239 loose. Um th this this speaks to our 01:49:37.360 --> 01:49:39.016 capacity as an organization and it 01:49:39.040 --> 01:49:41.736 should give our our community confidence 01:49:41.760 --> 01:49:43.576 that that the money that that is 01:49:43.600 --> 01:49:46.600 entrusted to us is able to be spent 01:49:46.639 --> 01:49:49.639 responsibly on projects that that make 01:49:50.239 --> 01:49:53.239 the LGA a better place to live um both 01:49:53.600 --> 01:49:56.456 now and and into the future. Um and you 01:49:56.480 --> 01:49:57.736 know I think if you look at the 01:49:57.760 --> 01:49:59.816 magnitude of capital works and the 01:49:59.840 --> 01:50:01.816 number and diversity of capital works 01:50:01.840 --> 01:50:03.896 that we have in the pipeline they 01:50:03.920 --> 01:50:06.920 they really are um they really we we're 01:50:07.920 --> 01:50:10.920 punching above our weight on um in this 01:50:11.440 --> 01:50:13.416 regard I think and they range from 01:50:13.440 --> 01:50:16.440 things like fixing up landslips and and 01:50:16.800 --> 01:50:19.800 making our our um our rural fire service 01:50:20.400 --> 01:50:23.016 better equipped and better adapted to to 01:50:23.040 --> 01:50:26.040 things like parks Um yeah there many of 01:50:27.280 --> 01:50:28.695 them are dependent on state government 01:50:28.719 --> 01:50:30.456 funding and that's often very difficult 01:50:30.480 --> 01:50:33.480 to come by and we have seen um really 01:50:34.639 --> 01:50:36.776 savage cost escalations. People talk 01:50:36.800 --> 01:50:38.695 about the cost escalations that they're 01:50:38.719 --> 01:50:40.456 experiencing with their cost of living. 01:50:40.480 --> 01:50:42.695 I think we've had something like a 40 or 01:50:42.719 --> 01:50:45.336 50% increase in the cost of Ashefelt 01:50:45.360 --> 01:50:47.576 alone. Um all of which has knock-on 01:50:47.600 --> 01:50:50.376 impacts on our on our capacity to to 01:50:50.400 --> 01:50:53.400 stay within budget. Um just a quick 01:50:53.440 --> 01:50:56.440 question regarding the town signs. Where 01:50:56.480 --> 01:50:58.536 are we up to with those? And I note um 01:50:58.560 --> 01:51:01.560 further to Mr. Gerish's um comments 01:51:01.600 --> 01:51:04.456 around the the the signs in McUade Park. 01:51:04.480 --> 01:51:06.536 Um there master plan discussions have 01:51:06.560 --> 01:51:08.376 commenced with the heritage advisory 01:51:08.400 --> 01:51:10.615 committee and with um local first 01:51:10.639 --> 01:51:13.576 nations people around um the master plan 01:51:13.600 --> 01:51:15.016 for McUade Park. Some of those 01:51:15.040 --> 01:51:18.040 discussions are around signage naming 01:51:18.080 --> 01:51:20.398 what we do about um Mr. McUade 01:51:20.422 --> 01:51:20.936 [clears throat] 01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:23.736 and his um extraordinary hubris in 01:51:23.760 --> 01:51:25.976 rejigging council processes to name a 01:51:26.000 --> 01:51:28.456 site after himself. and what we do 01:51:28.480 --> 01:51:31.480 with that, you know, um 01:51:31.520 --> 01:51:34.520 150 years later, do we muade is part of 01:51:34.800 --> 01:51:36.536 the history of that site? What do we do 01:51:36.560 --> 01:51:38.695 with that man's history? Um what do we 01:51:38.719 --> 01:51:41.416 do with Mcquaryy's history? Um but yeah, 01:51:41.440 --> 01:51:42.615 if I could just get a little bit of 01:51:42.639 --> 01:51:44.376 information about the the town signs 01:51:44.400 --> 01:51:46.376 because they they are of interest to the 01:51:46.400 --> 01:51:48.615 public a lot 01:51:48.639 --> 01:51:51.416 through you, Mr. there. Um I understand 01:51:51.440 --> 01:51:53.896 that um some of the production has 01:51:53.920 --> 01:51:55.575 happened but not all of it. So some of 01:51:55.599 --> 01:51:57.336 it is still being designed but there has 01:51:57.360 --> 01:51:59.896 been consultation previously. Um if 01:51:59.920 --> 01:52:01.736 there's further information I can take 01:52:01.760 --> 01:52:03.416 that on notice and get back to you. 01:52:03.440 --> 01:52:06.440 Thank you. [bell] 01:52:07.199 --> 01:52:08.868 for discussion. Councilors 01:52:08.892 --> 01:52:10.456 [clears throat] 01:52:10.480 --> 01:52:12.776 councilors um with the report that's 01:52:12.800 --> 01:52:15.800 here we've been talking about you'll 01:52:16.000 --> 01:52:18.536 you'll come across reports similar to 01:52:18.560 --> 01:52:20.936 this on a whole array of different 01:52:20.960 --> 01:52:23.960 infrastructure and and cost projects 01:52:24.480 --> 01:52:26.776 that we're doing so that they are very 01:52:26.800 --> 01:52:28.376 transparent and where we're up to with 01:52:28.400 --> 01:52:30.376 them and the like. Um there's a lot of 01:52:30.400 --> 01:52:31.655 work gone into this and there's some 01:52:31.679 --> 01:52:34.376 other as we spoke earlier this afternoon 01:52:34.400 --> 01:52:37.400 about um how we deliver that to 01:52:38.000 --> 01:52:40.215 the public and and in in a way that 01:52:40.239 --> 01:52:43.239 they can read and understand exactly 01:52:43.840 --> 01:52:45.496 where where we're going from and in lots 01:52:45.520 --> 01:52:48.520 of cases why we're going that way. 01:52:48.719 --> 01:52:51.719 any further debate? 01:52:51.920 --> 01:52:53.976 council bucket reply 01:52:54.000 --> 01:52:55.175 not necessary. Thank 01:52:55.199 --> 01:52:58.135 you. 01:52:58.159 --> 01:53:01.159 the recommendations on page 63 the 01:53:01.520 --> 01:53:03.336 10.5.1 01:53:03.360 --> 01:53:06.215 those in favor 01:53:06.239 --> 01:53:08.456 it's unanimous those against is carried 01:53:08.480 --> 01:53:11.480 it's council embro lines bucket ryan Djuric 01:53:12.080 --> 01:53:15.080 McMahon kotash vel Reardon and shea 01:53:17.520 --> 01:53:20.520 the next item is 01:53:21.119 --> 01:53:23.496 notice the motion council Wheeler 01:53:23.520 --> 01:53:25.896 12.1.1 01:53:25.920 --> 01:53:26.536 one. 01:53:26.560 --> 01:53:28.536 thanks, Mr. Mayor. Look, this um 01:53:28.560 --> 01:53:30.215 notice of motion is exactly what it says 01:53:30.239 --> 01:53:31.896 on the tin. it's an invitation to 01:53:31.920 --> 01:53:34.376 the member for Hawkesbury and um and the 01:53:34.400 --> 01:53:36.615 member for McQuary to um to have a 01:53:36.639 --> 01:53:38.776 discussion with counselors and staff 01:53:38.800 --> 01:53:41.655 regarding um 01:53:41.679 --> 01:53:43.896 all the things really. Um I think it's 01:53:43.920 --> 01:53:45.496 something that ideally it's something 01:53:45.520 --> 01:53:47.256 that we would do every 6 to 12 months. 01:53:47.280 --> 01:53:48.776 Um just so that we're all on the same 01:53:48.800 --> 01:53:51.800 page. Did we have a sorry 01:53:51.840 --> 01:53:54.840 um so that we're all on the on um the 01:53:54.960 --> 01:53:57.575 same page around the LGA um around 01:53:57.599 --> 01:54:00.599 matters concerning the LGA. Um I think 01:54:01.119 --> 01:54:03.976 um there there's clear there's clearly a 01:54:04.000 --> 01:54:06.776 lot of discussion between um Blue 01:54:06.800 --> 01:54:08.695 Mountains Council and the member for 01:54:08.719 --> 01:54:11.095 McQuary. there seems to be regular 01:54:11.119 --> 01:54:13.016 discussion between Hills Council and the 01:54:13.040 --> 01:54:15.175 member for Hawkesbury. Um I think we 01:54:15.199 --> 01:54:16.536 probably need to formalize some 01:54:16.560 --> 01:54:19.016 discussions here. There's a there's a 01:54:19.040 --> 01:54:21.016 lot that we need to cover. There's a 01:54:21.040 --> 01:54:22.936 whole lot of um there's a whole lot of 01:54:22.960 --> 01:54:24.456 capital works that council is doing. 01:54:24.480 --> 01:54:26.856 There's council's financial positions 01:54:26.880 --> 01:54:29.256 and council's financial um needs and 01:54:29.280 --> 01:54:32.280 concerns. There's legislative issues. Um 01:54:32.800 --> 01:54:35.575 I sat down and wrote, you know, in in a 01:54:35.599 --> 01:54:37.816 minute a list of things that we need to 01:54:37.840 --> 01:54:39.976 discuss. Um the disaster adaptation 01:54:40.000 --> 01:54:41.575 plan, you know, that we're supposed to 01:54:41.599 --> 01:54:44.599 be hanging everything off um and still 01:54:44.719 --> 01:54:46.376 haven't seen. We went to a flood 01:54:46.400 --> 01:54:47.736 conference and everyone was talking 01:54:47.760 --> 01:54:49.575 about the disaster adaptation plan and 01:54:49.599 --> 01:54:51.175 how important it was for the Hawkesbury. 01:54:51.199 --> 01:54:52.695 I thought that's great. You know, could 01:54:52.719 --> 01:54:55.175 we see it? But yeah, that's apparent 01:54:55.199 --> 01:54:57.336 it's gone into yet again it's gone onto 01:54:57.360 --> 01:54:59.976 someone's desk. Um Richmond Bridge and 01:55:00.000 --> 01:55:03.000 the impacts um of of that on the LGA. 01:55:03.040 --> 01:55:05.655 Where's it up to? What's the um what are 01:55:05.679 --> 01:55:08.056 the what are the what are the con the 01:55:08.080 --> 01:55:09.896 issues with that going to be? What are 01:55:09.920 --> 01:55:11.496 the burdens on this council and our 01:55:11.520 --> 01:55:13.095 local road network and how are we going 01:55:13.119 --> 01:55:15.736 to pay for them? um the Bandon Road 01:55:15.760 --> 01:55:17.655 Corridor and the Outer Sydney Orbital. 01:55:17.679 --> 01:55:20.135 Where is that up to? will there ever 01:55:20.159 --> 01:55:21.816 be the Outer Sydney Orbital? Are they 01:55:21.840 --> 01:55:23.175 going to the Central Coast? Are they 01:55:23.199 --> 01:55:26.199 stopping in the middle of a paddic? Um 01:55:26.719 --> 01:55:28.376 what's happening with Boxhill and and 01:55:28.400 --> 01:55:29.655 Vineyard? What's happening with the 01:55:29.679 --> 01:55:31.256 hospital? What's happening with all that 01:55:31.280 --> 01:55:34.280 water that is sheeting off the um the 01:55:34.320 --> 01:55:36.536 South Creek catchment and magically 01:55:36.560 --> 01:55:39.175 apparently disappearing at our um at our 01:55:39.199 --> 01:55:42.199 local um at our border? um council's 01:55:42.960 --> 01:55:45.575 financial s sustainability, the SRV, 01:55:45.599 --> 01:55:47.336 what we want to do with that SRV, the 01:55:47.360 --> 01:55:49.736 federal assistance grants that are that 01:55:49.760 --> 01:55:52.615 still aren't adequate um since they were 01:55:52.639 --> 01:55:54.536 capped by the Abbott government years 01:55:54.560 --> 01:55:56.936 ago. Um the sewer loan and the state 01:55:56.960 --> 01:55:58.456 government refusal to pay for flood 01:55:58.480 --> 01:56:01.095 damage to our sewer infrastructure. 01:56:01.119 --> 01:56:04.119 Um the WHISK projects and and how um and 01:56:04.960 --> 01:56:07.575 the the impost of those on council. um 01:56:07.599 --> 01:56:09.256 the benefits for the community, but also 01:56:09.280 --> 01:56:11.416 the additional costs, additional support 01:56:11.440 --> 01:56:12.856 for Perry urban councils, which 01:56:12.880 --> 01:56:14.456 everybody thinks is a grand idea until 01:56:14.480 --> 01:56:16.056 it comes time to actually give us some 01:56:16.080 --> 01:56:18.615 money. Um state government interference 01:56:18.639 --> 01:56:20.695 in local government, hence the people 01:56:20.719 --> 01:56:22.695 who turned up at 6:00 wondering why they 01:56:22.719 --> 01:56:25.496 couldn't come in for a public forum. Um 01:56:25.520 --> 01:56:27.896 flood mitigation, climate change, the 01:56:27.920 --> 01:56:30.920 gambling losses of 77 $75.9 01:56:31.360 --> 01:56:34.360 million to this LGA alone last financial 01:56:35.199 --> 01:56:37.896 year. um the emergency services levy 01:56:37.920 --> 01:56:39.416 which disproportionately affects 01:56:39.440 --> 01:56:41.655 councils like disasteraffected councils 01:56:41.679 --> 01:56:43.575 and our residents through a quadruple 01:56:43.599 --> 01:56:46.135 dipping process. The EPA levy that cost 01:56:46.159 --> 01:56:48.856 us in excess of $3 million a year and 01:56:48.880 --> 01:56:51.880 adds to our tipping fees. All of all of 01:56:52.080 --> 01:56:55.080 the child care um for responsibility of 01:56:55.599 --> 01:56:57.896 both levels of government, aged care, 01:56:57.920 --> 01:57:00.695 health care, homelessness, all of these 01:57:00.719 --> 01:57:01.976 things are things that we should be 01:57:02.000 --> 01:57:03.575 sitting down and discussing with 01:57:03.599 --> 01:57:05.256 representatives from other levels of 01:57:05.280 --> 01:57:07.336 government so that we can work together 01:57:07.360 --> 01:57:09.736 to achieve solutions rather than taking 01:57:09.760 --> 01:57:11.736 pot shots at each other through social 01:57:11.760 --> 01:57:14.135 media or through parliamentary speeches 01:57:14.159 --> 01:57:16.056 or or just going around and around in 01:57:16.080 --> 01:57:18.215 circles wondering how we might possibly 01:57:18.239 --> 01:57:20.536 get over the line on some of this stuff. 01:57:20.560 --> 01:57:22.215 We are all supposed to be advocates for 01:57:22.239 --> 01:57:24.856 this LGA. We can't do that advocacy 01:57:24.880 --> 01:57:26.695 effectively if we don't sit down and 01:57:26.719 --> 01:57:28.856 talk openly about what's required. 01:57:28.880 --> 01:57:31.880 Thanks. Thank you, councelor. 01:57:31.920 --> 01:57:34.920 Any further debate? 01:57:35.840 --> 01:57:38.840 Yeah. Um we there is discussions but 01:57:39.040 --> 01:57:40.936 it's been informally the motion's quite 01:57:40.960 --> 01:57:42.856 appropriate counselor and thank you for 01:57:42.880 --> 01:57:44.296 the motion. 01:57:44.320 --> 01:57:46.456 Um 01:57:46.480 --> 01:57:49.416 Mr. Mayor, I did just want to add um and 01:57:49.440 --> 01:57:51.256 and thank councelor Wheeler for bringing 01:57:51.280 --> 01:57:53.896 that forward, but um I just think it's 01:57:53.920 --> 01:57:56.456 important to note that I understand that 01:57:56.480 --> 01:57:58.376 of course at your level, you would have 01:57:58.400 --> 01:58:00.856 many discussions, staff would have 01:58:00.880 --> 01:58:03.175 many discussions, but I think that when 01:58:03.199 --> 01:58:05.416 we have advocates that we can use to 01:58:05.440 --> 01:58:07.896 work in conjunction closely with, it's 01:58:07.920 --> 01:58:09.816 very important that it extends to 01:58:09.840 --> 01:58:12.135 encompassing the views of all the 01:58:12.159 --> 01:58:13.336 different perspectives that the 01:58:13.360 --> 01:58:16.135 counselors are bringing forward. So 01:58:16.159 --> 01:58:17.976 you know it doesn't have to be every 01:58:18.000 --> 01:58:20.536 meeting of course but you know every 01:58:20.560 --> 01:58:22.376 now and then it's really good to catch 01:58:22.400 --> 01:58:25.400 up and to raise these sometimes even 01:58:25.679 --> 01:58:27.976 individual matters for them but 01:58:28.000 --> 01:58:30.456 certainly broader matters where they can 01:58:30.480 --> 01:58:32.936 find us money etc. 01:58:32.960 --> 01:58:35.960 Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks counselor. Um 01:58:36.560 --> 01:58:37.175 but [clears throat] 01:58:37.199 --> 01:58:40.199 the the um 01:58:41.040 --> 01:58:44.040 our expectations um to to speak with our 01:58:44.239 --> 01:58:47.175 local members is pro probably high. Um I 01:58:47.199 --> 01:58:49.175 found extremely difficult because of 01:58:49.199 --> 01:58:52.199 sitting at parliament and the like. Um 01:58:52.239 --> 01:58:55.239 to to to get dates and and the like I I 01:58:55.520 --> 01:58:58.520 speak to both of them regularly. Um so 01:58:58.880 --> 01:59:01.575 um we we will need to work a bit in 01:59:01.599 --> 01:59:03.736 relation to setting a program down that 01:59:03.760 --> 01:59:06.456 we can regularly speak to our our 01:59:06.480 --> 01:59:08.695 representatives. 01:59:08.719 --> 01:59:10.615 Any further deputy mayor? 01:59:10.639 --> 01:59:12.135 Thank you Mr. Mayor. I'll keep my 01:59:12.159 --> 01:59:13.736 comments brief because councelor 01:59:13.760 --> 01:59:16.760 Wheeler's list of issues I think was 01:59:17.280 --> 01:59:19.816 quite exhaustive and really spot on. 01:59:19.840 --> 01:59:21.175 There is a lot that we are struggling 01:59:21.199 --> 01:59:23.736 with as a council and we aren't the big 01:59:23.760 --> 01:59:25.095 state or federal government with the big 01:59:25.119 --> 01:59:26.615 bucks. We're the little guys and we're 01:59:26.639 --> 01:59:27.736 also though I think the state and 01:59:27.760 --> 01:59:29.416 federal member quite easily forget the 01:59:29.440 --> 01:59:32.440 people closest to everybody else in 01:59:32.480 --> 01:59:34.376 our community while they're away doing 01:59:34.400 --> 01:59:37.400 the bigger things. So I think that this 01:59:37.679 --> 01:59:39.976 motion is a good idea. I would like to 01:59:40.000 --> 01:59:43.000 lock in a consistent um time frame to do 01:59:43.199 --> 01:59:45.095 that so that it's not sporadic. we know 01:59:45.119 --> 01:59:47.896 when we're going to be meeting. And I 01:59:47.920 --> 01:59:49.256 would really like to put on the public 01:59:49.280 --> 01:59:52.280 record my disappointment with the recent 01:59:52.480 --> 01:59:54.776 negative comments directed towards 01:59:54.800 --> 01:59:56.456 this council by the state member. I 01:59:56.480 --> 01:59:58.856 found them unhelpful, unnecessary, and 01:59:58.880 --> 02:00:01.095 did nothing to further positive 02:00:01.119 --> 02:00:03.336 discussions between our elected body 02:00:03.360 --> 02:00:04.856 and that level of government considering 02:00:04.880 --> 02:00:06.376 all the issues raised by councelor 02:00:06.400 --> 02:00:09.400 Wheeler. I think that we deserve a 02:00:10.960 --> 02:00:13.736 lot more respect um than we're getting 02:00:13.760 --> 02:00:16.376 right now and participating in that 02:00:16.400 --> 02:00:17.896 misinformation 02:00:17.920 --> 02:00:20.536 and that council bashing is not 02:00:20.560 --> 02:00:22.296 helpful for anybody. So, I'm hoping that 02:00:22.320 --> 02:00:25.320 we can move forward positively. and 02:00:25.360 --> 02:00:27.816 also keeping in mind that the 02:00:27.840 --> 02:00:29.816 responsibility isn't just ours to be 02:00:29.840 --> 02:00:32.215 briefing them. They're adults, too. 02:00:32.239 --> 02:00:33.655 They're on high levels of government. 02:00:33.679 --> 02:00:35.736 they can come to us and ask questions 02:00:35.760 --> 02:00:37.896 and also tell us about the projects um 02:00:37.920 --> 02:00:39.496 on their level of governments that are 02:00:39.520 --> 02:00:41.736 impacting our local area. So I'll be 02:00:41.760 --> 02:00:43.175 supporting the motion. Thank you Mr. 02:00:43.199 --> 02:00:44.296 Mayor. 02:00:44.320 --> 02:00:47.320 Thank you councelor. 02:00:48.320 --> 02:00:50.456 You've heard debate already councelor 02:00:50.480 --> 02:00:51.016 Willer. Um 02:00:51.040 --> 02:00:53.416 thanks Mr. May just just very briefly um 02:00:53.440 --> 02:00:55.816 I I don't want us I don't want the um 02:00:55.840 --> 02:00:57.095 member for Hawkesbury or the member for 02:00:57.119 --> 02:00:58.376 McCory to think that we only want them 02:00:58.400 --> 02:01:00.776 for their money. Um we do want their 02:01:00.800 --> 02:01:03.016 money. but we also um need their 02:01:03.040 --> 02:01:05.016 advocacy and we need their we 02:01:05.040 --> 02:01:07.256 particularly need their ad advocacy 02:01:07.280 --> 02:01:09.336 when there are there are legislative 02:01:09.360 --> 02:01:11.175 changes that affect local government 02:01:11.199 --> 02:01:13.175 muted and I think it would be really 02:01:13.199 --> 02:01:16.135 helpful if they would if um state and 02:01:16.159 --> 02:01:17.896 federal members would speak to the lo 02:01:17.920 --> 02:01:20.056 the level of government most affected by 02:01:20.080 --> 02:01:21.976 changes that they are voting on and 02:01:22.000 --> 02:01:23.896 that's unfortunately something that 02:01:23.920 --> 02:01:26.920 hasn't happened um recently. Um, a prime 02:01:28.320 --> 02:01:31.320 example is the um the um the code of 02:01:33.360 --> 02:01:35.336 meeting practice, but we're also 02:01:35.360 --> 02:01:37.816 intensely affected by um by issues of 02:01:37.840 --> 02:01:40.695 housing affordability and and um and 02:01:40.719 --> 02:01:43.655 other areas around development um and 02:01:43.679 --> 02:01:46.679 infrastructure provision and we need 02:01:46.719 --> 02:01:48.695 information from them as much as they 02:01:48.719 --> 02:01:51.175 need information from us. So if we can 02:01:51.199 --> 02:01:54.199 open up a more formal um 02:01:54.800 --> 02:01:56.536 process of doing that rather than 02:01:56.560 --> 02:01:58.376 bumping into each other when we open a 02:01:58.400 --> 02:02:00.776 park or something um then I think that 02:02:00.800 --> 02:02:03.800 might be helpful having having worked in 02:02:04.000 --> 02:02:07.000 in parliament the best way to get an 02:02:07.040 --> 02:02:08.856 appointment with an MP is to have a 02:02:08.880 --> 02:02:11.336 fixed date in the diary and if you know 02:02:11.360 --> 02:02:14.360 we if we don't have that I think if we 02:02:14.639 --> 02:02:16.695 don't have a formal process we are less 02:02:16.719 --> 02:02:19.016 likely to a sporadic thing is less 02:02:19.040 --> 02:02:21.655 likely to result in an MP turning up. It 02:02:21.679 --> 02:02:22.695 would be great if they could come 02:02:22.719 --> 02:02:25.016 together. Um, but if they don't, that's 02:02:25.040 --> 02:02:27.095 okay. I think we can work we can work 02:02:27.119 --> 02:02:29.336 either way. I think they both have a 02:02:29.360 --> 02:02:31.016 good working relationship. It would be 02:02:31.040 --> 02:02:32.615 nice to see that good working 02:02:32.639 --> 02:02:34.456 relationship extend to us. I agree with 02:02:34.480 --> 02:02:37.480 council council McMahon um that when um 02:02:38.400 --> 02:02:41.256 different levels of government 02:02:41.280 --> 02:02:44.280 have a go at each other um 02:02:45.040 --> 02:02:48.040 personally and when that allows then 02:02:49.199 --> 02:02:51.736 particularly on social media a pylon of 02:02:51.760 --> 02:02:54.536 the sort that we saw um over the last 02:02:54.560 --> 02:02:56.456 couple of weeks it is incredibly 02:02:56.480 --> 02:02:59.480 unhelpful and frankly disrespectful. We 02:02:59.760 --> 02:03:02.296 have a job to do. It's a difficult job. 02:03:02.320 --> 02:03:05.320 it's a job that requires um that 02:03:05.679 --> 02:03:08.056 requires a 02:03:08.080 --> 02:03:11.080 a lot of um a lot of bleeding um blood 02:03:12.080 --> 02:03:15.080 out of the stone. and but also puts 02:03:15.119 --> 02:03:17.575 us in very close contact with members of 02:03:17.599 --> 02:03:20.376 the public all the time. Not just times 02:03:20.400 --> 02:03:21.896 when we're coming to the opening of 02:03:21.920 --> 02:03:23.575 something or announcing something that 02:03:23.599 --> 02:03:25.575 everybody's happy about. We are not 02:03:25.599 --> 02:03:27.816 separate from from the people that we 02:03:27.840 --> 02:03:29.655 represent in the same way that state and 02:03:29.679 --> 02:03:32.679 federal MPs are. And I it would be nice 02:03:33.599 --> 02:03:36.376 if we could be given the respect that 02:03:36.400 --> 02:03:39.400 our position deserves in a similar way 02:03:39.440 --> 02:03:41.736 to the respect that we give them. 02:03:41.760 --> 02:03:42.695 Thanks. 02:03:42.719 --> 02:03:44.776 Thank you. 02:03:44.800 --> 02:03:47.800 The motion's on page 89 12.1. Those in 02:03:49.760 --> 02:03:52.615 favor 02:03:52.639 --> 02:03:54.376 it's that's unanimous. Councelor 02:03:54.400 --> 02:03:56.936 Zambognau, councelor Wheeler, Council 02:03:56.960 --> 02:03:59.960 Bucket, Ryan, Djuric, McMahon, Kitewash, 02:04:00.320 --> 02:04:03.320 Veigel, Reardon, and Sheather. Those against 02:04:03.440 --> 02:04:06.440 the motions carried. 02:04:06.719 --> 02:04:08.456 The next item is for information 02:04:08.480 --> 02:04:10.536 councilors. It's questions with 02:04:10.560 --> 02:04:12.776 notice. 02:04:12.800 --> 02:04:15.800 the ne the item after that is 14.1.1. 02:04:19.040 --> 02:04:20.936 we don't need a resolution for that 02:04:20.960 --> 02:04:23.960 either. councilors, 02:04:26.400 --> 02:04:29.400 the last two items in our business paper 02:04:29.520 --> 02:04:31.896 is confidential and we need to go into 02:04:31.920 --> 02:04:34.920 session. 02:04:35.040 --> 02:04:36.615 Thank you for attendance in the gallery, 02:04:36.639 --> 02:04:39.639 but we need to ask you to um 02:04:41.280 --> 02:04:44.280 leave the room if you don't mind. 02:04:48.080 --> 02:04:51.080 That was moved by councelor Kotlash and 02:04:51.920 --> 02:04:54.920 councelor Creed. 02:04:58.400 --> 02:05:00.776 Um, I'll get the general manager to to 02:05:00.800 --> 02:05:03.800 read the recommended 02:05:11.599 --> 02:05:14.599 councils. 02:05:19.760 --> 02:05:21.496 I I'll get the general manager to read 02:05:21.520 --> 02:05:22.776 the recommendations from the 02:05:22.800 --> 02:05:25.800 confidential um meeting. General 02:05:27.679 --> 02:05:29.175 manager. 02:05:29.199 --> 02:05:31.575 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Whilst in closed 02:05:31.599 --> 02:05:34.215 session, council resolved on the motion 02:05:34.239 --> 02:05:36.056 of councelor Mcmah, seconded by 02:05:36.080 --> 02:05:37.816 councelor Kotlash with respect to item 02:05:37.840 --> 02:05:39.416 15.3.1, 02:05:39.440 --> 02:05:41.175 that council agreed to enter into a 02:05:41.199 --> 02:05:42.856 lease with GReardon Hills Childcare Center 02:05:42.880 --> 02:05:45.095 Incorporated, incorporated number 02:05:45.119 --> 02:05:47.496 Y0759112 02:05:47.520 --> 02:05:48.936 for part of the property known as 2 02:05:48.960 --> 02:05:51.016 Stewart Street, South Windsor, being 02:05:51.040 --> 02:05:54.040 part of lot one in depositor plan 816809 02:05:54.480 --> 02:05:57.480 as outlined in this report. Two, that 02:05:57.679 --> 02:05:59.416 authority be given for the lease and any 02:05:59.440 --> 02:06:01.256 other documentation in association with 02:06:01.280 --> 02:06:02.695 this matter to be executed under the 02:06:02.719 --> 02:06:05.016 seal of council. And three, details of 02:06:05.040 --> 02:06:06.936 council's resolution be conveyed to the 02:06:06.960 --> 02:06:08.615 proposed lei together with the advice 02:06:08.639 --> 02:06:10.135 that council is not and will not be 02:06:10.159 --> 02:06:12.056 bound by the terms of its resolution 02:06:12.080 --> 02:06:13.736 until such time as appropriate legal 02:06:13.760 --> 02:06:15.416 documentation to put such a resolution 02:06:15.440 --> 02:06:17.095 into effect has been agreed to and 02:06:17.119 --> 02:06:19.816 executed by all parties. For the motion 02:06:19.840 --> 02:06:21.736 was councilors Zamp Progno, Djuricick, 02:06:21.760 --> 02:06:24.376 McMahon, Kotlash, Rean, Vel, and Sheila. 02:06:24.400 --> 02:06:26.376 Against were councilors Wheeler, Lions, 02:06:26.400 --> 02:06:28.936 Bbucket, and Ryan. 02:06:28.960 --> 02:06:31.960 in respect of item 15.3.2, two 02:06:32.800 --> 02:06:34.936 moved on the motion by councelor Kotlash 02:06:34.960 --> 02:06:37.655 and seconded by councelor Reeden. It was 02:06:37.679 --> 02:06:40.376 resolved that council proceed to 02:06:40.400 --> 02:06:42.055 publicly exhibit the proposed lease with 02:06:42.079 --> 02:06:43.976 Golden Valley Children's Learning Center 02:06:44.000 --> 02:06:46.135 Incorporated, Incorporated number 02:06:46.159 --> 02:06:48.296 Y813631 02:06:48.320 --> 02:06:50.456 of the property known as part of 160 02:06:50.480 --> 02:06:52.615 Golden Valley Drive, Custoodia, being 02:06:52.639 --> 02:06:55.575 part of lots 457 and 484 in depositor 02:06:55.599 --> 02:06:57.816 plan 214756 02:06:57.840 --> 02:06:59.496 as outlined in this report in accordance 02:06:59.520 --> 02:07:01.175 with section 47 of the local government 02:07:01.199 --> 02:07:04.199 act 1993. Two, at the expiration of the 02:07:04.480 --> 02:07:06.215 public exhibition period outlined in 02:07:06.239 --> 02:07:07.896 part one above, the following action be 02:07:07.920 --> 02:07:10.055 taken. A should any submissions be 02:07:10.079 --> 02:07:11.816 received regarding the proposed lease to 02:07:11.840 --> 02:07:13.416 Golden Valley Children's Learning Center 02:07:13.440 --> 02:07:15.336 Incorporated incorporated number 02:07:15.360 --> 02:07:17.736 Y0813631 02:07:17.760 --> 02:07:19.896 a further report to be submitted to 02:07:19.920 --> 02:07:21.816 council in accordance with section 47 02:07:21.840 --> 02:07:23.575 subsection 4 of the local government act 02:07:23.599 --> 02:07:26.599 1993 or B should no submissions be 02:07:27.119 --> 02:07:29.736 received subsection I council enter into 02:07:29.760 --> 02:07:31.016 a release with Golden Valley Children's 02:07:31.040 --> 02:07:32.776 Learning Center Incorporated 02:07:32.800 --> 02:07:35.336 incorporated number Y813631 02:07:35.360 --> 02:07:37.496 for parts of the property known as part 02:07:37.520 --> 02:07:39.976 of 160 Golden Valley Drive, Glacodia, 02:07:40.000 --> 02:07:42.936 being part of lots 457 and 484 and 02:07:42.960 --> 02:07:45.496 deposited plan 214756 02:07:45.520 --> 02:07:48.296 as outlined in this report. Part 02:07:48.320 --> 02:07:51.095 subsection B2 authority be given for the 02:07:51.119 --> 02:07:52.615 lease and any other documentation in 02:07:52.639 --> 02:07:53.896 association with this matter to be 02:07:53.920 --> 02:07:55.736 executed under the seal of council and 02:07:55.760 --> 02:07:57.575 subsection 3 detail of council's 02:07:57.599 --> 02:07:59.655 resolution be conveyed to the proposed 02:07:59.679 --> 02:08:01.175 lei together with the advice that 02:08:01.199 --> 02:08:02.695 council is not and will not be bound by 02:08:02.719 --> 02:08:04.856 the terms of its resolution until such 02:08:04.880 --> 02:08:06.536 time as appropriate legal documentation 02:08:06.560 --> 02:08:08.536 to put such a resolution into effect has 02:08:08.560 --> 02:08:10.296 been agreed to and executed by all 02:08:10.320 --> 02:08:12.936 parties. for the motion were councilors 02:08:12.960 --> 02:08:15.016 Zamprogno, Djuricick, McMahon, Kotlash, Reed 02:08:15.040 --> 02:08:16.776 and Veigel and Sheila and against the 02:08:16.800 --> 02:08:18.456 motion were councilors Wheeler, Lions, 02:08:18.480 --> 02:08:21.480 Bucket and Ryan. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 02:08:23.440 --> 02:08:25.416 Thank you, general manager. that 02:08:25.440 --> 02:08:27.575 concludes the meeting this evening. 02:08:27.599 --> 02:08:29.256 thank the staff and the counselors for 02:08:29.280 --> 02:08:32.280 their participation and work and declare 02:08:32.800 --> 02:08:35.800 the meeting closed. Thank you.