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Thank you councelors

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we'll now proceed with the meeting of

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council.

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Hawkesbury City Council acknowledge the Dharug

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and Darkinjung People as the

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traditional custodians of the land of

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the Hawkesbury. We pay respect to all

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Elders past and present and emerging and

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acknowledge all Aboriginal and Torres Strait

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Islands people as first people of the

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country.

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General manager.

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Thank you Mr. Mayor. Members of the

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public attending the meeting are advised

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that in the event of an emergency, you

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will be asked to proceed in an orderly

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manner to the nearest exit following the

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guidance of our warden. I would also

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like to advise that in accordance with

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clause 3 5.34 of the code of meeting

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practice, meetings of the council are

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recorded. In the terms of the privacy

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and personal information protection act,

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this may involve the recording of

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personal information provided at the

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time of the meeting. The recordings are

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made to assist staff in compiling the

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podcasting and live stream of council

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meetings. The provision of any

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information that is recorded is

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voluntary. If any person does not wish

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to be recorded, they should not address

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or request to address the meeting. The

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gallery can be seen in the live stream

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video. If you do not wish to be recorded

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in the live stream, please move to the

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foyer and we will turn the foyer

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speakers on for you. The recordings may

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be made available to other persons where

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such access is in accordance with the

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relevant regulations. The recordings are

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stored on council's record management

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system and uploaded to council's

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website. Meetings of the council may be

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separately recorded may not be may be

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separately recorded, my apologies, with

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the prior authority of account of

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council. And finally, it is also

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requested that if any person

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participating in or attending the

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meeting has a mobile phone that they

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either turn it off or turn it to silent.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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Thank you.

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 apologies, councilors  I've got

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a note here I'll Reardon out in relation to

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to  apologies for leave absence.

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it's from two counselors. So

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there be and we need two different

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motions on it in relation to the act. 

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councils I've received an application

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from  councilor Creed to take leave

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of absence from council duties due to

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personal reasons effective the 18th of

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May 26 until the 30th of June 26. I've

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also received an apology from councelor

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Veigel for tonight's

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excuse me council meeting and I'd

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recommend that they be done with two

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separate motions. I'll just I'll Reardon

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one motion and ask for a mover.

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Councilors, I have a motion to accept

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Can I have a motion to accept an apology

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attended by councelor Creed  for the

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council meetings that take place between

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the 18th of of May and the 30th of June

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due to personal reasons and grant leave

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of absence from the council meetings

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that take place until the 30th of June.

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I'll move that, Mr. Mayor.

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I'll second it. Councilor Lyons-Buckett

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councilor Reardon

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any debate those in favor

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against it's carried unanimously

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councilor Zamprogno councilor Wheeler council

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Lyons-Buckett councelor Ryan Djuric McMahon

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Kotlash Reardon and Sheather

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the second motion that I would ask for

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councilors can I also have a motion to

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accept an apology tended by councelor

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vigel for the council meeting of the 2nd

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of June 26th due to personal reasons and

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grant leave a baptism from council

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meeting of that date 2nd of June 26

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I move that

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second Mr.

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Councelor Kotlash

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those in favor

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against is carried it's councilor Zamprogno

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Lyons-Buckett Ryan Djuric McMahon Kotlash

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Reardon and Sheather

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is there any declarations of interest

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councilors

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yes Mr.Mayor

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councilor Lyons-Buckett.

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 I'd like to declare a less than

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significant non-pecuniary interest in 

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Mayoral minute one and also declare that in

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item  9.4.7

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the remnant land review.

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Thank you.

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Any others?

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 confirmation of the minutes of the

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12th of May.

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Council Reardon

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second

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councilor Ryan.

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Those in favor

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against carried

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it's Zamprogno Wheeler Lyons-Buckett Ryan

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Djuric McMahon Kotlash Reardon and Sheather

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there is no condolence

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  council

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Mr. Mr. Mayor could I move that we 

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hear the  I move a procedural motion

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that we hear 7.1.2 to the item

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that was subject to public address 

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as the first item please.

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Yeah, thank you.

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Council Zamprogno

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those in favor

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against it's carried

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council. I'd move the motion of  7.1.2

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as written.

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 it's in relation to a lady who was

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just spoken about Jan Barkley Jack and

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and Neil  and in recognition of the

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the work that they've been

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involved in and their commitment to to

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those activities in the city for a long

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time

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excuse me I'll just speak briefly.

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Jan Barkly Jack  you've heard the

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comments that were made most recently

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about it. um as the third oldest colony.

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 we've got a few people and a lot of

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them sitting in the gallery tonight that

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have taken a keen interest in the

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history of our city and   been

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involved in  the construction,

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reconstruction,

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  studies that have been done 

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committees over

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years.

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 and 

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in in a variety of ways. We're not just

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talking about buildings. We're talking

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about culture. We're talking about 

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 cemeteries anything that's older

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than me, I guess she's spoken and talked

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about and 

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the  while I haven't been on

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committees with her, I've  certainly

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been associated  in more formal

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ways, I guess, or the like and

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 she's leaving or she's left to go up

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the coast. And I just felt that it was

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 as a community, as council, that

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we should recognize  people  that

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contribute as much as she has. Usually,

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we wait till people fall off the planet

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and then talk about them. Well, she's

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not falling off the planet. She's just

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taken a different location and I

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wish her all the best

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 councelor Wheeler.

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 thanks, Mr. Mayor I'm very

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happy to speak to this motion about

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about Jan Barkley Jack. Jan, I've known

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Jan since I first moved here and

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became involved very early in the piece,

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 with the Australiana Pioneer

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Village Jan was Jan did an

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extraordinary amount of work to

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document the the history of the village

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to gather an oral history  and

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turn that into a state heritage

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listing that was instrumental in 

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saving the village to prevent the

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collection  being broken up and the

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the buildings  and the collection

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being dispersed a really significant

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moment in the the recognition and

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protection of humble heritage

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the homes that ordinary people would

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have lived in in an era where we were

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still just preserving the the grand

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homes of the of the very wealthy and

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very influential there's a great

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story of Jan going in to the meeting

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with the state heritage office saying

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that she thought she'd be out in 5

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minutes because she didn't think they

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were going to go for the listing and she

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was in there for 45  and the piece

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to resistance was showing the bit of

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footage of case or cartrite I can't

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remember which one flying down the putty

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road on the back of a flattop Bedford

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with its veranda flapping in the breeze

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 filmed  on a really old 

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reel and then transferred to video

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so this was done in the early 1970s long

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before we ever asked permission to do

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anything  and involved any sort of

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regulation at all  and that it was

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that piece of footage that that was said

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to have convinced the heritage 

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office. I think that anyone who

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really believes that it was that piece

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of footage does Jan an enormous

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disservice.  it was really her the

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case that that she put forward  that

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that that saved the village. There was

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an extraordinary community effort  to

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do that. But  but Jan gave us the 

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information and the the credibility to

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 for the village to be what it is

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today. This really well-loved and well

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recognized piece  of national

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history. Jan's that really rare person,

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I think, who who sees a need and just

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fills it without fuss or fanfare. She's

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been really pivotal in telling the real

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story of the Hawkesbury's past. Not the

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not the laranism, not the not the big

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tales of the grand men but the

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ordinary stories of the people who just

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made this place and I think her PhD

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work is probably the culmination of

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that. That idea that that very ordinary

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people could come and and make 

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make something from this place  that

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that allowed them to prosper, but

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also allowed them to feed  the colony

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 and and for the whole colony to to

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both survive and prosper. Jan has been

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the go-to for for heritage information

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in the Hawkesbury for as long as I've

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lived here.  there's very little that

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 that Jan doesn't know and if she

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doesn't know, she can usually nut it

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out and she's she's very

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measured. She's very  she's very well

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considered and she's very well

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articulated in her research. And I think

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that  that goes a long way then

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to  allowing everybody else to use

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that information.

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Jan's also not she's been  very

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skilled I think in navigating the change

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in the historical 

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over the last 40 odd years in the

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Hawkesbury. We we've spent a lot of time

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in in the Hawkesbury talking about our

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colonial past Jan has been one of

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the very early embracers and one of the

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very strong advocates on the heritage

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committee that we also embrace  our

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Durk history and our the first contact

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period which is incredibly important in

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the Hawkesbury between the Dharug and the

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early colony and I think that's

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that has been a pivotal change for for

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the heritage committee and Jan has been

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one of the strongest advocates. Um, so I

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I really want to thank her for the

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extraordinary contribution she's made.

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We will miss her greatly but I

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really wish her well in her in her new

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space.

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Thanks very much. Councelor

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Zamprogno. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um I

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some time ago  fell into the habit of

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referring to Jan. Whenever I was making

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a post about something where she was

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there, I refer to Jan Barkley Jack, our

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national treasure.

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and um when we frequently crossed paths

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because of a shared interest in this

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area's history, I came to appreciate the

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depth of her knowledge and like

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councelor Wheeler said, the the the

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quiet and diligent and patient approach

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that she took and her gifts as a

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storyteller  I I think are where she

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really shines. Um I regret that I didn't

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bring my copy of Hawkesbury Settlement

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revealed to have it autographed today.

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Um, I'll I'll take that as a rain check,

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but I want to take the opportunity to

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say that Jan's contribution has been

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priceless. Not only through the Heritage

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Committee where she gave of her time

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willingly, not only through the

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historical society where she gave of her

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time willingly, not only through the

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National Trust and recently, only very

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recently, we had the opportunity to to

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visit the Hobartville property. And

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there she was on a lawn care holding

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forth as each group came by and filling

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the space with rich stories that just

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brought the history of that place life

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as she always does. So I couldn't let

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this moment pass without saying a very

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sincere thank you for your

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contributions.

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I also want to recognize Anne Neil and

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say that an your contribution to the um

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to the sports council has been

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exemplary. The quiet, efficient, patient

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way in which you dealt with what I'm

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sure were very often rambunctious.

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um stakeholders not only from council

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but from the various sporting groups um

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have been just amazing and um you are

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both ladies a great loss to us and we

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wish you all the very best in the next

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season of your life.

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Thank you counselor

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council bucket.

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 thank you Mr. there and um thank you

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to  Carol for giving us an outline on

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um some of Jan's career which of course

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was far too big for um  to be covered

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in a 5minut speech. Um I'd like to add

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the thanks and appreciation to Jan for

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all that she's done. It's been a

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privilege  getting to know her over

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the years at various things but

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particularly in these last  few years

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on the heritage committee. Um I think

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that  it just does really show us the

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depth of knowledge that we are just

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simply so privileged to have within our

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community to have people share this

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immense knowledge and so generously and

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it some communities just don't have

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that. I mean we really really are

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fortunate. We've got a significantly um

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you know one of the the third earliest

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European settlement here and we've got

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people who have studied and interpreted

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the histories around that and they've

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shared that knowledge with us so

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generously and that's something that the

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generations to come will have the

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benefit of as well as us having had that

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benefit. So um I I'm glad to hear Jan

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will be back. I hope she comes back for

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the heritage meeting. I'm assuming she's

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going to just keep being on the heritage

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committee for years to come and she'll

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Yeah. forever.

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That's what happens. And um I'd just

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like to say a really sincere thank you

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 to Jan and wish her well and see her

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on Thursday at the heritage meeting.

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Deputy Mayor.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I thank you

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for bringing this meal minute. I think

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it is a wonderful idea to acknowledge

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individuals in our community who

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contribute so much to community

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well-being and you certainly have chosen

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two people again who have left leaving

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the area at the same time but for their

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own individual intentions and I think

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it's wonderful to celebrate and

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acknowledge their contribution.  Jan

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as everyone has alReardony said a

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remarkable woman  with a vast

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knowledge of this local area and such a

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passion for history. Thank you for your

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contribution.  and to an  having sat

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on the sports council for five years and

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seen how wonderfully you manage the most

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fragile and delicate relationships

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between people. the way that you do that

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 I is wonderful and I know that it has

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been challenging and whether you are

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remunerated or not for the contribution

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you make to our community um you you go

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have gone above and beyond and I wanted

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to thank you for  for that because

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sport is so integral to our local area

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whether you are a child or an older

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person playing sport and the way you've

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managed competing interests with teams

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and sports and somehow always found a

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resolution to those conflicts um I think

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that really needs to be highlighted and

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I just wanted to say thank you to both

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of you and wish you well. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Okay. Um I'll make a comment about an um

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I've got there's 10 years here. I think

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it's probably closer to 20. Um the the

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um

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there wouldn't have been two days in a

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row I guess that I never spoke to her in

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that time. Um sometimes it was about

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laughs. Most of the time most of the

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time it it was about um  working on

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projects or or what we um what we're

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trying to achieve for sport. it. Um,

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but it didn't the 9 to-5 job that you

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could find in the office didn't sort of

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didn't sort of tweak too well with the

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with the job. Um, , I wrote in here

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just a couple of things that that

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happened like the the late calls and

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stuff. Um, it didn't happen, you know,

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once a year, once a month. It was once a

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night practically where lights wouldn't

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come on or wouldn't turn off and

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irrigation that um would come on during

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games perhaps. Um 

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incidents of wet weather um we got a big

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city it can be rained in Wilberforce

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Pelton down and winds of the sunshine

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you know and when you got to call

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grounds grounds off that can't be played

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on the like it's um and we got 38 of

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them. It's it's it's not easy to do

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between 9 and 5 that when organizations

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need um need confirmation. They they got

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um people from all over the place that's

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that's driving or commuting to to

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grounds and um so that um it it takes a

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special person to be able to deal with

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um with with those and and did it well.

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um the the issues that come up from time

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to time. Um the relationship that she

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has with council staff. Um there's not

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much that happens up there that's not

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run past the staff. And um  while

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there might have been frustrations from

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time to time um that that happened with

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every committee person and me, probably

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me more than most, I guess. Um but um

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that commitment was always there. 

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she's got a caravan up the coast that

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she spends a bit of time and I think

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she's off there first thing in the

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morning. Um the  but the phone calls

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didn't stop. Um that the  late at

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night um you'd asked her how she's going

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and if she took a while to answer you

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knew that she hadn't opened the red wine

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yet. So it was she answered pretty

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quick, you know, that it was pretty the

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conversation was going to be going to be

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going all right. Um but that commitment

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over that period of time um and at the

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moment she's on leave for for a few more

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weeks. Um, and the reason that and

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I'm it was probably February or

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something that she went on leave. Um,

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that accumulation of leave was because

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she found it extremely hard to get away.

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Um, there's there's only two staff um at

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the sports council  admin finance

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administrator and and her um and it was

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left to the committee  when she wasn't

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about that things would go pear shape

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naturally.

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So,  the commitment that that  she's

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had um to sport and

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 with with things like grants,  she

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would fill the grants out for the sports

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and and then um they would sign off on

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it and so the the grants would go

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directly to the particular clubs, stuff

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like that. Um and the homework that that

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goes with that and the relationship with

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the clubs, um it's commendable. So, Ann,

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thank you very much. and um to you Jan

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for the for what you've done

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council member Lyons-Buckett.

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Oh thank you Mr. May. Sorry I thought

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they were separate items so I hadn't 

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wished an well and I would just go for

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it now.

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Thank you very much and congratulate her

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for her um enormous commitment to the

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sporting and wider Hogsbury community.

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Um it sounds and I know that she would

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have gone over and above particularly

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when we faced so many things  with

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flooding and and various other

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interruptions  to various sporting

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fields. So I thank her very much for

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that um commitment. I congratulate her

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on having a conversation with you every

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second day. I think that is a wonderful

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um  ex exhibit of tenacity and

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fortitude. So, um,

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surely there's a plaque for that.

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Yeah, there should be a plaque. Um, but

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I do thank you for that commitment and

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wish you well in future endeavors. Thank

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you.

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Any further discussion, counselors?

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Um, Jen and Ann, if you can come up,

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I've got a little something  to to to

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offer you.

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Yeah. Yeah. What is

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get off this side?

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Thank you councilors. The recommendation

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 was to acknowledge the work and

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commitment over many years of Jim

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Barkley Jack and Anne Neil. Um

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those in favor

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against is carried.

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Council Zambgno, Wheeler and Lines,

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Bucket, Ryan, Jurich, McMahon, Kotlash,

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Reardon, and Sheather. Thank you, councilors.

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the next item, councilors, we need to

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deal with the late supplement report 

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which is 9.2.1

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first.

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No, let's do some way.

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The recommendations on page five.

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Councilors

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Can I make the recommendation, Mr.

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Mayor?

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Thank you, Council Reardon.

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Councelor Codles.

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Is there any discussion or questions in

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relation to

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 Yes, please.  Mr. Mayor, um I just

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had a question.  does the 2023 code

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come into practice immediately now or

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not? Okay. So, for the rest of this

00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:23.816
meeting, it's under that code. Um I'll

00:26:23.840 --> 00:26:26.376
just speak briefly to it.  I know I

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had a second question and I think  I

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think  our director of u manager of

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governance answered it for me today, but

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the status of the premeating forum 

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under the previous code, we don't have

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any capacity for that. So as of next

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meeting we'll revert to speakers before

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items. Is that correct?

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Yes it is councelor.

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Okay thank you. Um Mr. Mayor I think 

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just the scenario around this  issue

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with the code I think it's just sort of

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fair to point out that um it's a little

00:27:03.840 --> 00:27:06.376
bit indicative of a leVeigel of government

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that's facing a lot of challenges at the

00:27:08.320 --> 00:27:09.976
moment. And I think that this is one of

00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:13.000
them that now we are put into a

00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:15.176
suspended sort of state of having to go

00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:18.056
back to an old code while we wait for

00:27:18.080 --> 00:27:21.080
the directives from  the minister for

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um whatever will happen next. And I just

00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:28.200
think that um I'm just expressing my

00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:31.416
frustration. I guess that it is yet

00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:34.440
another thing within our um working

00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:37.720
environment where we have to wait and

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and wait and wait. And I'd just like to

00:27:41.120 --> 00:27:43.576
point out that patience really is a

00:27:43.600 --> 00:27:46.600
trait that's required  for anyone

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working or serving in local government.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, councelor.

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Deputy Mayor.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor, I will keep my

00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:57.655
remarks quite short. Suffice to say, I

00:27:57.679 --> 00:27:59.096
think there is an enormous sense of

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relief amongst the  128 councils in

00:28:02.399 --> 00:28:05.399
New South Wales  that this

00:28:05.919 --> 00:28:08.296
code of meeting practice only lasted 

00:28:08.320 --> 00:28:10.856
just less than 6 months. So, I think

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that I'm very comfortable going back to

00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:15.736
the previous one.  the public forum

00:28:15.760 --> 00:28:18.760
idea was good in theory and I still

00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:21.336
think there may be an appetite for some

00:28:21.360 --> 00:28:23.816
kind of forum to continue but I do

00:28:23.840 --> 00:28:25.816
believe the speaking on the item as and

00:28:25.840 --> 00:28:27.655
when they are about to be debated by the

00:28:27.679 --> 00:28:30.375
chamber is is a much better idea it

00:28:30.399 --> 00:28:32.056
gives context and I think it's important

00:28:32.080 --> 00:28:33.496
for the community to be heard at the

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same time  I do think the code of

00:28:36.399 --> 00:28:38.456
meeting practice that we are rescending

00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:41.480
tonight  brought about a lot of

00:28:41.520 --> 00:28:44.056
community confusion and I understand

00:28:44.080 --> 00:28:45.655
that sometimes new things need to be

00:28:45.679 --> 00:28:47.655
tried and tested and whether they will

00:28:47.679 --> 00:28:50.679
work. But  from my I'm the president

00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:52.375
of the Liberal Local Government Assembly

00:28:52.399 --> 00:28:54.775
for example in New South Wales and I can

00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:56.296
tell you now that the feedback I sought

00:28:56.320 --> 00:28:57.736
from the elected liberals across the

00:28:57.760 --> 00:29:00.375
state  was one that did not enjoy this

00:29:00.399 --> 00:29:03.399
code of meeting practice  there was

00:29:03.840 --> 00:29:05.336
questions about what they should do,

00:29:05.360 --> 00:29:07.255
when to stand, when to do all these

00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:08.856
different things. And I think that

00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:11.416
unfortunately without  being too

00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:13.176
negative to the minister, he got this

00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:15.496
one wrong. And I think the fact that 

00:29:15.520 --> 00:29:17.255
councils across the state and also the

00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:19.736
state parliament  did what they could

00:29:19.760 --> 00:29:21.976
to remove this code of meeting practice

00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:24.535
shows that  it was wrong. It didn't

00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:26.936
work. It wasn't functional.  now we

00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:28.056
have an opportunity. He has an

00:29:28.080 --> 00:29:29.576
opportunity to present something else.

00:29:29.600 --> 00:29:30.775
But I hope it's something that doesn't

00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:32.135
bring about an excessive amount of

00:29:32.159 --> 00:29:34.375
change again because we are dealing with

00:29:34.399 --> 00:29:37.176
so much right now as a sector. um so

00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:38.775
many different things. We've got, you

00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:40.375
know, potential budgets to pass in the

00:29:40.399 --> 00:29:42.296
next meeting and all those kinds of 

00:29:42.320 --> 00:29:43.976
issues that cause community tension. And

00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:45.176
I think the best thing that can be done

00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:46.535
is probably not touching something that

00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:48.296
isn't broken right now, leaving it as it

00:29:48.320 --> 00:29:50.216
is and letting us get back to what we

00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:52.216
know. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:55.240
Well said, Deputy Mayor.

00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:56.696
Council Brogner.

00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.015
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um I just want to

00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:00.296
challenge the answer that was given to

00:30:00.320 --> 00:30:01.816
one of Council Lion's Bucket's

00:30:01.840 --> 00:30:04.840
questions. Back in June of last year,

00:30:05.760 --> 00:30:07.895
there was a motion passed in this

00:30:07.919 --> 00:30:10.919
chamber to introduce  what I'd call

00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:14.039
our own version of a public forum. And

00:30:14.320 --> 00:30:16.936
it was meant to complement the existing

00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:19.015
mechanism of allowing members of the

00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:21.655
public to also come and speak

00:30:21.679 --> 00:30:23.895
immediately prior to various items in

00:30:23.919 --> 00:30:26.135
the business paper.

00:30:26.159 --> 00:30:29.159
So, I understand that we've mechanically

00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:31.336
got to do what we're doing tonight, but

00:30:31.360 --> 00:30:32.856
I will point out that there is a

00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:35.096
standing resolution of this chamber for

00:30:35.120 --> 00:30:37.336
us to hold public forums

00:30:37.360 --> 00:30:40.056
and that they are in addition to the

00:30:40.080 --> 00:30:42.535
ability to speak before items and that

00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:45.096
we were heading in that direction and

00:30:45.120 --> 00:30:48.056
were only gazumped by the minister's

00:30:48.080 --> 00:30:51.080
introduction of the faulty code. Could I

00:30:51.840 --> 00:30:53.176
just get some clarification about

00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:55.176
whether that standing resolution which

00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:56.936
has been debated and resolved by this

00:30:56.960 --> 00:30:59.895
chamber would also permit us to move

00:30:59.919 --> 00:31:02.919
quickly to restore the public forums in

00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:05.816
the way that we resolved in June.

00:31:05.840 --> 00:31:07.496
Well, we're proposing have a workshop

00:31:07.520 --> 00:31:10.520
with general manager.

00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:12.696
I'll refer that question to director of

00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:14.775
corporate services.

00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:17.799
 thanks Mr. Mayor. Um I I probably

00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:20.056
have to take that question on notice. Um

00:31:20.080 --> 00:31:22.616
my understanding was that the public

00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:24.535
forum that council was proposing was

00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:27.096
built being built into the code of

00:31:27.120 --> 00:31:30.056
meeting practice um that council never

00:31:30.080 --> 00:31:33.080
actually adopted because they they they

00:31:33.120 --> 00:31:35.255
put that off pending the  the model

00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:38.216
code coming through from the minister.

00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:40.616
Um that that said, Mr. Mayor, I'll make

00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:42.696
the following remarks. I understand that

00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:45.255
we have to do this. I think that the

00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:47.816
minister's  code was a terrible

00:31:47.840 --> 00:31:50.775
overreach and created an enormous amount

00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:52.616
of ill feeling and I think that was

00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:54.296
manifested at the local government New

00:31:54.320 --> 00:31:56.135
South Wales conference that we were able

00:31:56.159 --> 00:31:59.015
to go to later last year and many

00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:01.336
councils  including ours were able to

00:32:01.360 --> 00:32:04.216
tell that to his face but he's um an

00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:06.375
inflexible fellow and I think that it's

00:32:06.399 --> 00:32:08.375
only the sancture of the upper house

00:32:08.399 --> 00:32:11.015
that's kind of given us this reprieve at

00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:12.775
least. I don't know what the minister

00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.799
will do next, but I wouldn't want us to

00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:19.240
restart the process from scratch to have

00:32:19.760 --> 00:32:21.576
those public forums. We were heading in

00:32:21.600 --> 00:32:22.936
that direction. There was a resolution

00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:25.416
of this chamber.  I appreciate that we

00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:28.296
might hold a workshop to work out where

00:32:28.320 --> 00:32:30.856
the dust falls, but there's no need to

00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:32.775
relitigate this. There's a standing

00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:35.015
resolution that we wanted to have public

00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:37.495
forums before meetings. The good news is

00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:40.519
that we've now built the processes in

00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:43.015
place to allow people to register.

00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:44.936
There's a portal on the website. All

00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:47.015
we're suggesting is that they have the

00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:49.416
ability, people have the ability to come

00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:51.816
and speak to an item that's on their

00:32:51.840 --> 00:32:53.096
heart, whether it's on the business

00:32:53.120 --> 00:32:54.775
paper or not, so long as it's relevant

00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:56.535
to local government, those parameters

00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:59.416
have been made clear. And then also

00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:02.440
speak to items on the business paper as

00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:04.375
they come up during the business paper.

00:33:04.399 --> 00:33:06.135
That would be my preferred outcome. and

00:33:06.159 --> 00:33:08.375
I suspect the preferred outcome of a

00:33:08.399 --> 00:33:10.216
majority of members of this chamber.

00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:10.936
Thank you.

00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:13.960
Thank you, Councelor.

00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:16.856
Council Wheeler.

00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:18.616
Thanks, Mr. May. Look, I think it's I

00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:21.015
think it's important not to get over

00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:23.895
excited about this change um and the the

00:33:23.919 --> 00:33:26.919
disallowance motion. Um all indications

00:33:27.760 --> 00:33:30.296
from the um from the New South Wales

00:33:30.320 --> 00:33:32.135
government and from the upper house are

00:33:32.159 --> 00:33:34.775
that this will be a fairly short-lived

00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:37.799
um period. The minister is not best

00:33:37.840 --> 00:33:40.840
pleased unsurprisingly. Um and it seems

00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:43.416
that the the main sticking point that he

00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.176
was willing that he is willing to shift

00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:47.895
on is the issue of counselor attendance

00:33:47.919 --> 00:33:50.856
via audiovisisual link.  and the the

00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:52.775
difficulties with that for counselors

00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:55.799
who work outside their LGAs um or

00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:59.480
struggle to get um to the occasional

00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:01.255
council meeting due to carers

00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:04.279
responsibilities or illness  has has

00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:07.336
now has led in fact to since the

00:34:07.360 --> 00:34:09.815
introduction of this code in December 

00:34:09.839 --> 00:34:12.536
led to three counselors resigning 

00:34:12.560 --> 00:34:15.256
because they couldn't meet their um

00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:17.655
their employment obligations or their

00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:20.679
carer obligations um with their council

00:34:20.879 --> 00:34:22.936
obligations. And that's a that's a

00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:25.895
pretty sad indictment of um of the

00:34:25.919 --> 00:34:27.335
Office of Local Government and the

00:34:27.359 --> 00:34:29.895
Minister who were told very clearly by

00:34:29.919 --> 00:34:31.895
councilors across New South Wales that

00:34:31.919 --> 00:34:34.919
that would be one of the very um very

00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:37.815
swift um ramifications of these changes

00:34:37.839 --> 00:34:40.135
to the code. Counselors are not paid a

00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:43.159
living wage. Many of us work outside our

00:34:43.520 --> 00:34:46.456
jobs on council and many of us therefore

00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:48.536
have to traVeigel to go to those jobs and

00:34:48.560 --> 00:34:51.335
can't make it back um for necessarily

00:34:51.359 --> 00:34:53.416
for meetings and if we do we tend to

00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:56.055
take um a lot of time off work. So

00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:57.575
unless you're a teacher or you've got a

00:34:57.599 --> 00:34:59.575
very understanding boss it's very

00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:02.599
difficult um to to juggle both roles. Um

00:35:04.160 --> 00:35:06.696
there it also we also had um some really

00:35:06.720 --> 00:35:08.696
good commentary from counselors from

00:35:08.720 --> 00:35:10.376
other councils at local government New

00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:12.776
South Wales.  one counselor from Penri

00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.016
who's the carer for a disabled daughter

00:35:15.040 --> 00:35:17.256
 who stated that the new code was

00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:18.936
basically making it impossible for

00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:21.176
people like her to be represented as

00:35:21.200 --> 00:35:23.736
elected representatives. Um that's a

00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:26.760
again a really um unfortunate I think um

00:35:27.040 --> 00:35:29.335
indictment of local government that it

00:35:29.359 --> 00:35:32.359
mean that it means that only um you know

00:35:32.560 --> 00:35:34.536
reasonably welloff people in good

00:35:34.560 --> 00:35:36.536
circumstances with all the odds in their

00:35:36.560 --> 00:35:39.176
favor get a seat around the table.

00:35:39.200 --> 00:35:41.416
That's that's not elected represent

00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:42.616
that's not reasonable elected

00:35:42.640 --> 00:35:44.616
representation. The minister seems to

00:35:44.640 --> 00:35:46.055
have at least taken these things on

00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:49.079
board. Um but it seems unlikely that um

00:35:50.160 --> 00:35:53.160
he is rigid on the um on the subject of

00:35:53.520 --> 00:35:55.815
briefings. It's possible that we'll be

00:35:55.839 --> 00:35:58.376
able to that we may be he may agree to

00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:00.936
briefings that are that are held um in

00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:03.960
public um under some sort of committee

00:36:04.160 --> 00:36:06.296
structure, but I don't think we should

00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:08.216
be anticipating the days of private

00:36:08.240 --> 00:36:11.240
briefings lasting for very long. um and

00:36:11.359 --> 00:36:14.359
he he's also quite rigid um around um

00:36:15.200 --> 00:36:16.936
around some of the other um provisions

00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:19.736
of the new code. So I think this will be

00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:22.760
I think this will be shortlived. Um and

00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:24.696
I don't think we're going to see a lot

00:36:24.720 --> 00:36:27.720
of change. Um I I quite like the public

00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:30.696
forum I like the public forum idea.

00:36:30.720 --> 00:36:32.296
councils.

00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:34.856
There seems to be a whole lot of um and

00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:36.696
I don't know that we should say this too

00:36:36.720 --> 00:36:39.095
often too loudly um to the office of

00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:40.616
local government. There seems to be

00:36:40.640 --> 00:36:42.776
quite some confusion about how that

00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:45.800
public um public forum provision can be

00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:48.456
interpreted. A number of um friends of

00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:49.815
mine and other councils have been told

00:36:49.839 --> 00:36:51.575
that they can't have a public forum that

00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:53.095
discusses items that aren't on the

00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:55.016
business paper. We seem to get around

00:36:55.040 --> 00:36:56.376
that by having it separate to the

00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:59.256
council meeting. Um, some councils have

00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:01.896
their public forum the day before. Um,

00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:04.776
some have it the week before. So, it's

00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:07.800
still it's still a movable feast, I

00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.376
think, which just goes to show that

00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:12.376
councils need, I think, the flexibility

00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:14.776
to set up meetings that work for their

00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:16.776
communities rather than that work for

00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:19.800
the um office of local government. So, I

00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:22.936
think the moral of the story is probably

00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:25.896
that the few the fewer changes that we

00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:28.856
make at the moment, the better. Um, I

00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:29.815
don't think it's going to take the

00:37:29.839 --> 00:37:31.416
minister long before he brings out a new

00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:33.335
regulation. We've probably only got a

00:37:33.359 --> 00:37:35.896
couple of months on the old code. , I

00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:37.736
think any changes that we do make are

00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:39.496
just going to confuse the public even

00:37:39.520 --> 00:37:41.095
further. They're now dealing with the

00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:43.976
idea that the public forum is off um for

00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:45.496
a little while and then going to be back

00:37:45.520 --> 00:37:47.736
on again, I think. So I think if we're

00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:49.976
having one on or one off back and forth,

00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:51.656
I think we just need to wait for the

00:37:51.680 --> 00:37:54.680
minister and go from there.

00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:02.440
So any further discussion?

00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:09.320
 the motion is on page five counselors

00:38:09.520 --> 00:38:12.216
point one and two.

00:38:12.240 --> 00:38:15.016
 write a reply.

00:38:15.040 --> 00:38:17.016
Councelor

00:38:17.040 --> 00:38:18.216
Reardon?

00:38:18.240 --> 00:38:20.536
No, not necessarily. Um, I think I also

00:38:20.560 --> 00:38:22.376
thought the public forums were a great

00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:24.776
idea. It gave people a chance to express

00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:26.856
their thoughts and I hope we can retain

00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:29.416
that.

00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:32.440
Thank you. Those in favor

00:38:33.680 --> 00:38:36.680
against it's carried. Council Brogard,

00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:39.256
Council Wheeler, Council Lines, Bucket,

00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:42.280
Ryan, Djuric, McMahon, Kotlash, Reardon, and

00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:46.280
Sheather. The motions carried.

00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:52.280


00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:55.256
 council

00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:58.280
 sorry I'll just Reardon a clarification

00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:00.216
of the resolution we just passed

00:39:00.240 --> 00:39:03.240
councilors. So, um, we're all clear and

00:39:03.359 --> 00:39:06.359
and, , maybe it might help the, um,

00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:09.176
, people that's watching. , for

00:39:09.200 --> 00:39:11.976
councilors attending tonight's meeting

00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:13.976
for the purpose of the gallery watching

00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:15.575
the meeting online, the duration of

00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:17.256
tonight's council meeting will be

00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:20.280
conducted in accordance with , 20 23

00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:23.656
code of meeting practices. , copies of

00:39:23.680 --> 00:39:25.976
the 23 code are on council's desk for

00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:29.000
reference. Um the provisions contained

00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:31.896
within the 2023 code of meeting practice

00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:34.856
are largely the same as the 2025 code

00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:37.736
code relating to debate and voting on

00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.760
items including  time limits for

00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:43.815
speeches.

00:39:43.839 --> 00:39:46.839
Thank you councilors.

00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:51.320
 the next item is 7.1.1.  it's a mal

00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:55.496
minute.  council Lyons-Buckett.

00:39:55.520 --> 00:39:58.136
Thank you Mr. Mayor. Um I'm declaring a

00:39:58.160 --> 00:40:00.136
less than significant non-punerary

00:40:00.160 --> 00:40:02.936
interest in item 7.1.1.

00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:04.936
 the item the nature of the interest

00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:07.016
is that the item refers to the Hawkesbury

00:40:07.040 --> 00:40:09.736
Gazette in an attachment to the item. 

00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:11.656
I have a familiar connection to that

00:40:11.680 --> 00:40:14.376
organization. The reason for no further

00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:16.616
action is that the item is not making

00:40:16.640 --> 00:40:19.256
any decision regarding that organization

00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:21.496
and as such the degree of interest falls

00:40:21.520 --> 00:40:24.296
below the threshold of significant.

00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:25.976
Thank you. Not to council.

00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:26.856
I'll remain.

00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:28.616
Thank you.

00:40:28.640 --> 00:40:31.640
Um councelor I I I move the minute 

00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:35.095
the recommendation and that's the meal

00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:37.016
minute regarding council's behavior be

00:40:37.040 --> 00:40:40.040
received and noted. Um and the  I'm

00:40:42.560 --> 00:40:45.496
not going to Reardon it out. Um the the

00:40:45.520 --> 00:40:47.976
intent and and the documents that are

00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:51.000
supplied with it um accusations that

00:40:51.680 --> 00:40:54.680
have been made around the place. um the

00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:58.920
um and that's all they are. Um there's

00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:01.736
no one's prepared to go put names and

00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:04.760
stuff and a lot of it is unfounded. Um

00:41:05.200 --> 00:41:07.256
the minister's written to us in that

00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:10.280
regard and um and I put this up on the

00:41:12.560 --> 00:41:15.560
basis that um that I believe we can all

00:41:16.640 --> 00:41:19.640
do better. Um and and I'm not I'm not

00:41:20.640 --> 00:41:22.456
saying that we that that we all don't

00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:24.696
try. I know the effort that goes into

00:41:24.720 --> 00:41:27.016
council sitting around the table, but

00:41:27.040 --> 00:41:29.496
for a document where we've been

00:41:29.520 --> 00:41:32.520
challenged both in in in the media  in

00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:36.936
in parliament to a degree and the like

00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:39.960
um is unwarranted. Um I I I believe that

00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:43.656
we can we can do a lot better and this

00:41:43.680 --> 00:41:46.680
is put here on the basis  to review

00:41:47.200 --> 00:41:48.936
our situation on how we deal with

00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:51.960
things. um and and  moved into the

00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:55.416
future that that we conduct ourselves as

00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:58.440
as councilors as should and and  and

00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:01.480
move on.

00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:05.480
Any debate?

00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:09.079
Councilor Ryan. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

00:42:09.680 --> 00:42:11.016
Look, I just like to tell you I'm

00:42:11.040 --> 00:42:13.896
personally offended by that. Mr. Mayor,

00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:15.496
you're calling out all the counselors

00:42:15.520 --> 00:42:17.095
publicly.

00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:18.856
Why

00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:20.616
is it because counselors like myself

00:42:20.640 --> 00:42:22.856
stand up for this and protect our staff

00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.095
staff who haven't got the right to reply

00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:28.119
to um harassment in the workplace.

00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:32.216
They're the real victims.

00:42:32.240 --> 00:42:34.936
There's examples that um they were told

00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:37.176
they were working for a fascist

00:42:37.200 --> 00:42:39.575
organization. That's disgusting. There

00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:42.136
was many other comments. Or is this just

00:42:42.160 --> 00:42:44.616
some sort of group punishment that you

00:42:44.640 --> 00:42:46.136
felt like you wanted to dish out? cuz

00:42:46.160 --> 00:42:48.456
that's how I felt.

00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:50.295
And

00:42:50.319 --> 00:42:52.936
she out in public to the counselors or

00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:54.616
is this a distractions for some other

00:42:54.640 --> 00:42:57.095
real issues? Because I'm really starting

00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:59.496
to feel cornered here on a couple of

00:42:59.520 --> 00:43:02.520
issues and um that started some time ago

00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:05.095
and I think they're starting to come

00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:07.976
into play. Look, I won't say anything

00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:09.496
further, but I believe the people of the

00:43:09.520 --> 00:43:12.456
Hawkry and myself feel better that we we

00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:14.776
expect better from these elected

00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:16.856
officials.

00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:17.575
Thank you.

00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:20.599
That's all I ask. Councelor,

00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:25.960
any further debate?

00:43:26.560 --> 00:43:28.136
, councelor Wheeler. ,

00:43:28.160 --> 00:43:31.016
thanks, Mr. Mayor. I've um I've put an

00:43:31.040 --> 00:43:34.040
amendment um through to the staff.

00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:42.295
So, I'll just

00:43:42.319 --> 00:43:45.319
I'll second that, Mr. Mayor.

00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:48.456
The reason for the amendment is that um

00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:51.480
to quote um former mayor Barry Calbertt,

00:43:52.319 --> 00:43:55.016
there are no action words um in the meal

00:43:55.040 --> 00:43:58.040
minute. If if we're fed income about um

00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:01.656
about doing something about the way we

00:44:01.680 --> 00:44:04.295
conduct council meetings and dealing

00:44:04.319 --> 00:44:07.319
with um or promoting a better

00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:10.920
understanding of um of how we use the

00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:13.575
code of meeting practice, but also our

00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:15.416
how we meet our governance,

00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:17.016
confidentiality and work health and

00:44:17.040 --> 00:44:19.176
safety responsibilities, then I think we

00:44:19.200 --> 00:44:21.656
need to have a robust discussion and

00:44:21.680 --> 00:44:24.216
some training in a um and I think a

00:44:24.240 --> 00:44:26.055
counselor briefing is probably the best

00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:27.575
place to start. We have a very tiny

00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:29.016
window where we can where we're going to

00:44:29.040 --> 00:44:31.095
be able to use council briefings. We may

00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:33.176
as well take advantage of it. This is a

00:44:33.200 --> 00:44:35.176
discussion I'm quite willing to have 

00:44:35.200 --> 00:44:37.656
in in an open session, but um at the

00:44:37.680 --> 00:44:40.376
moment I think um a briefing is probably

00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:43.400
the best place for for us to look at um

00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:46.776
how we um and and all of us frankly

00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:48.456
should be able to chair a meeting. We

00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:50.055
should all be um we should all be

00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:51.815
cognizant. I chair the heritage

00:44:51.839 --> 00:44:54.295
committee regularly. um all counselors

00:44:54.319 --> 00:44:56.456
should have a a go at chairing a

00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:58.776
meeting. It's an essential skill  and

00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:01.416
one that's really useful out um in the

00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:04.440
in the rest of the world. Um

00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:07.736
but in terms of we we use points of

00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:10.760
order very badly in this council. Um we

00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:12.776
also I think could do with a refresher

00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:15.335
on governance.  clearly someone in

00:45:15.359 --> 00:45:17.575
this chamber needs to  better

00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:19.656
understand their confidentiality

00:45:19.680 --> 00:45:22.456
responsibilities cuz like councelor Ryan

00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:25.480
I deeply resent um the implication that

00:45:26.240 --> 00:45:28.376
I don't understand them. I have never

00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:30.376
breached in 10 years I have never

00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:33.256
breached confidentiality as a counselor.

00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:35.416
, and I take work health and safety

00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:38.055
responsibilities incredibly seriously

00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:41.079
and I'm deeply dismayed at the um

00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:47.416
the the cavalier way they have been

00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:50.440
treated um for for some of our staff.

00:45:51.200 --> 00:45:52.776
It's

00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:54.456
I

00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:57.480
we I've got very clear ideas around

00:45:58.640 --> 00:46:00.936
leadership. They come, they were forged

00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:03.960
in a very tough furnace.  I taught

00:46:05.520 --> 00:46:08.520
people and who who then went to war. I

00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:10.696
was very lucky that I didn't go, but

00:46:10.720 --> 00:46:13.720
people that I trained did. If you expect

00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:16.776
someone to follow you into that sort of

00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:19.800
environment, you have to be um the sort

00:46:20.560 --> 00:46:23.560
of leader that people can trust.

00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:27.079
It requires a leVeigel of honesty, a leVeigel

00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:29.815
of openness, a leVeigel of willingness to

00:46:29.839 --> 00:46:32.839
share who you really are. Um, but but

00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:37.656
also a leVeigel of integrity that means

00:46:37.680 --> 00:46:40.536
that the people who rely on you know

00:46:40.560 --> 00:46:43.560
that you will do the right thing by them

00:46:43.839 --> 00:46:46.456
regardless.  that you will have their

00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:49.480
back and that they can depend on you. Um

00:46:50.720 --> 00:46:53.720
there there is currently amongst some of

00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:56.536
us

00:46:56.560 --> 00:46:59.560
a need to be popular that seems to

00:46:59.920 --> 00:47:02.776
override the requirement to do the right

00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:05.800
thing. And that is having  it's having

00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:08.456
a deletterious effect on our workplace.

00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:10.456
But what really bothers me is that

00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:12.776
that's having an extremely delotterious

00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:15.800
effect on the workplace of council

00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:17.416
staff.

00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:20.440
 it's reflected I in

00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:24.280
um in discussions it's reflected in I in

00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:28.599
morale um and in the um what what in the

00:47:30.640 --> 00:47:33.176
army we would refer to as the aspa core

00:47:33.200 --> 00:47:36.200
the the um the pride in the organization

00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:40.295
and the organiz organization's

00:47:40.319 --> 00:47:41.656
achievements. We've got to the point

00:47:41.680 --> 00:47:44.616
where we can't announce a good thing

00:47:44.640 --> 00:47:47.335
without a social media pylon.

00:47:47.359 --> 00:47:50.055
We can't celebrate the things that this

00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:53.079
council does and does well and puts

00:47:53.359 --> 00:47:56.136
ourselves on the line for without

00:47:56.160 --> 00:47:58.536
receiving

00:47:58.560 --> 00:48:01.560
weeks of garbage.

00:48:02.160 --> 00:48:03.815
People sitting around this table are

00:48:03.839 --> 00:48:06.839
responsible for that. In part,

00:48:09.040 --> 00:48:11.416
there needs to be a more robust

00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:14.440
discussion about our responsibilities as

00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:16.376
leaders of this organization. Leadership

00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:18.696
is not a popularity contest. Leadership

00:48:18.720 --> 00:48:21.720
requires courage, integrity, and skill.

00:48:22.319 --> 00:48:23.815
Not all of us are showing that at the

00:48:23.839 --> 00:48:25.256
moment.

00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:27.095
Thank you, councelor. , I didn't ask

00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:30.119
for a second.

00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:33.880
Thank you. Um,

00:48:34.720 --> 00:48:37.335
councelor will I'm prepared to withdraw

00:48:37.359 --> 00:48:40.055
my meal minute in favor of your

00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:43.079
amendment.

00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:45.815
That's fine. If you you can just take

00:48:45.839 --> 00:48:47.176
that as the meal minute. That's fine.

00:48:47.200 --> 00:48:50.200
Y

00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:56.376
councelor Kesh. ,

00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:58.856
thank you Mr. Mayor. Is there a reason

00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:00.936
that that just disappeared?

00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:03.575
Sorry. Is there a reason that that Oh,

00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:04.856
good. Um,

00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:07.880
yeah. Well, there is. Um,

00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:10.936
most of this stuff's alReardony in train.

00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:13.815
, but this will just confirm through a

00:49:13.839 --> 00:49:15.256
council resolution that it is going to

00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:18.136
happen. ,

00:49:18.160 --> 00:49:20.856
all the stuff that's in that in that 

00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:23.880
now the motion before us um the staff

00:49:25.040 --> 00:49:27.575
have been trained and on the way to

00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:30.295
provide just what's been asked of.

00:49:30.319 --> 00:49:33.319
Okay. Um,

00:49:33.680 --> 00:49:36.680
am I permitted to ask um the mover of

00:49:37.520 --> 00:49:40.520
the amendment um to add something?

00:49:43.040 --> 00:49:44.376
It's the motion, but

00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:47.400
the motion rather.

00:49:47.680 --> 00:49:50.680
Um I I I mean I don't want to move this

00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:53.416
as an amendment to the motion, but I

00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:56.440
think that um I would add  at the end

00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:00.760
of of that paragraph um that we workshop

00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:04.920
work health and safety responsibilities

00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:07.575
and also complaints procedures because I

00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:09.575
I think that that's something that we

00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:11.095
happy with that counselor

00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:14.119
that we haven't been trained in

00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:16.696
adequately. And I think that that's

00:50:16.720 --> 00:50:19.720
something that we could um cover and we

00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:22.856
need to cover.  that that's it. Um I

00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:25.880
think I really um thank Councelor Willer

00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:29.400
for for for these um action words. Um

00:50:31.680 --> 00:50:33.656
you make Barry proud. I think lots of

00:50:33.680 --> 00:50:36.136
action words in there.  but it's true.

00:50:36.160 --> 00:50:38.216
It's we needed to to move forward and

00:50:38.240 --> 00:50:41.095
that and thank you for for those

00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:44.119
um for that. That's it. Thank you. Thank

00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:47.559
you. Any further discussion? , Deputy

00:50:47.680 --> 00:50:48.616
Mayor.

00:50:48.640 --> 00:50:50.696
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I do believe

00:50:50.720 --> 00:50:52.696
that the

00:50:52.720 --> 00:50:54.376
once amendment, now the motion or now

00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:56.696
the meal minute is a good pathway

00:50:56.720 --> 00:50:59.720
forward. Um, I struggled a little bit

00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.055
with this, Mr. Mayor, with the content

00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:04.616
that you wrote in this meal minute. I

00:51:04.640 --> 00:51:07.640
have no desire tonight to

00:51:08.319 --> 00:51:11.319
be negative or anything like that. Um,

00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:14.776
however, I I did want to make it clear

00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:16.696
that I thought that some of us in this

00:51:16.720 --> 00:51:19.720
chamber had spent a lot of time both in

00:51:19.839 --> 00:51:21.656
here in the last few meetings and

00:51:21.680 --> 00:51:24.456
externally in the community

00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:27.176
really backing you and the interim

00:51:27.200 --> 00:51:29.416
general manager in what you had done in

00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:31.095
banning the people and the individuals

00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:33.815
who were causing a risk to both the

00:51:33.839 --> 00:51:36.136
counselors but predominantly to our

00:51:36.160 --> 00:51:38.295
staff. And we spent a lot of time

00:51:38.319 --> 00:51:41.016
backing that decision and highlighting

00:51:41.040 --> 00:51:44.040
where the real root risk of damage to

00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:48.119
people's mental health was coming from.

00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:51.480
The sad reality of that is  the

00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:53.575
document that you've attached to your

00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:55.256
meal minute, the letter from the office

00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:58.136
of local government  that shines a

00:51:58.160 --> 00:52:01.160
light on the breach of confidentiality

00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:03.176
that's coming from an elected member of

00:52:03.200 --> 00:52:06.200
this body. Um, I think it's important

00:52:07.200 --> 00:52:10.200
that we focus on that because whoever

00:52:10.240 --> 00:52:13.240
around this table thinks it's okay to

00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:15.976
consistently engage in the leaking of

00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:19.000
that of our confidential information

00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:21.496
is part of the problem. And I think the

00:52:21.520 --> 00:52:23.095
reason I had an issue with the meal

00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:26.119
minute is it is it collectiVeigely threw

00:52:26.640 --> 00:52:28.936
all of us into the mix of behavior that

00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:31.960
we're all not engaging in. And I think

00:52:32.319 --> 00:52:35.319
that those counselors who are

00:52:35.359 --> 00:52:38.136
consistently breaching confidentiality,

00:52:38.160 --> 00:52:40.456
who are consistent consistently

00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:43.256
encouraging a narrative in our community

00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:45.976
that is negative and nasty and councelor

00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:48.295
Willer touched on that. You cannot open

00:52:48.319 --> 00:52:50.295
social media here in the Hawkesbury

00:52:50.319 --> 00:52:53.319
without abuse. You cannot do that. There

00:52:54.160 --> 00:52:56.055
are people sitting in this room who are

00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:58.136
fostering and encouraging that for

00:52:58.160 --> 00:52:59.976
reelection purposes. That's all I'll

00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:01.176
say, Mr. Mayor on that bit.

00:53:01.200 --> 00:53:02.616
Good.

00:53:02.640 --> 00:53:05.416
I think that

00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:07.416
it's right of you to highlight that we

00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:09.815
are leaders and as leaders we have a

00:53:09.839 --> 00:53:11.335
responsibility

00:53:11.359 --> 00:53:14.359
to the community and to showcase to

00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:17.016
people what it means to be a leader. We

00:53:17.040 --> 00:53:19.016
make really serious decisions in this

00:53:19.040 --> 00:53:22.040
chamber both that affect people's

00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:24.456
day-to-day lives and also about the

00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:27.256
expenditure of public money. And that

00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:29.016
responsibility means that we have to

00:53:29.040 --> 00:53:32.040
lead by example. and what has happened

00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:34.456
in our broader community in the last few

00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:36.376
months

00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:38.616
in terms of the hurt that it has caused

00:53:38.640 --> 00:53:41.640
to people  is almost it's almost

00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:44.760
shameful and I would really like to see

00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:47.496
those people who are those elected

00:53:47.520 --> 00:53:50.376
representatives who are behind this

00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:51.976
negative campaign in the community

00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:53.736
against their colleagues and against our

00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:55.335
organization

00:53:55.359 --> 00:53:57.656
stop that kind of behavior. So I see the

00:53:57.680 --> 00:53:59.896
intent that you had Mr. mayor behind

00:53:59.920 --> 00:54:02.920
this meal minute. I think that the words

00:54:03.200 --> 00:54:05.176
on the scReardon that now become your meal

00:54:05.200 --> 00:54:08.200
minute give us a pathway to work on

00:54:08.319 --> 00:54:09.976
those weaknesses that have been

00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:12.535
identified. I think some governance

00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:14.376
training in everyone is a wonderful

00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:16.776
idea. I particularly like the addition

00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:18.616
of the work health and safety

00:54:18.640 --> 00:54:20.936
responsibility training. Um I think

00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:23.256
that's important.  people need to

00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:26.136
understand the risk that their actions

00:54:26.160 --> 00:54:28.055
have on other human beings. And this is

00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:31.079
more this place here is more than just

00:54:31.200 --> 00:54:34.200
politicians squabbbling. We are human

00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:36.776
beings. Our community are human beings.

00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:39.656
 the attacks have to stop. So um I'll

00:54:39.680 --> 00:54:41.896
leave my remarks there. I I just wanted

00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:44.456
to say that this is a really really

00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:46.776
serious issue and I really hope that

00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:48.376
those who are doing the wrong thing can

00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:50.616
lift their game. Thank you Mr. Mayor.

00:54:50.640 --> 00:54:53.575
Yeah. Thank councelor.

00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:55.176
Um

00:54:55.200 --> 00:54:58.200
I I take on board your your comments um

00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:01.736
um deputy mayor. Um but one of the

00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:04.760
things that I'm going to I'm going to um

00:55:05.200 --> 00:55:07.736
stop in this chamber is that if we've

00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:10.760
got accusations um that  to

00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:15.656
 that's directed to individuals, it's

00:55:15.680 --> 00:55:18.535
going to stop. If if the if someone's

00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:21.559
got any information in relation to an

00:55:21.680 --> 00:55:24.680
activity that is not um  kosher

00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:28.936
 then the general manager and I need

00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:31.960
to know about it. Um and and I know I

00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:36.295
know there's there's

00:55:36.319 --> 00:55:39.319
um assertions made from different people

00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:41.815
for different at different times for

00:55:41.839 --> 00:55:43.736
different reasons both here in in the

00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:46.760
chamber and out. That's the intent. of

00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:50.119
what this meal minute's about. Um the

00:55:50.160 --> 00:55:52.775
the example and the and deputy mayor

00:55:52.799 --> 00:55:54.936
touched on it. Um we're all better than

00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:57.960
that and um and we we we know what's

00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:01.000
right and wrong. Um so um that's the

00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:05.335
intent. um where we were yesterday or

00:56:05.359 --> 00:56:06.696
the day before. There's been action

00:56:06.720 --> 00:56:08.856
taken in in in quite a few places to try

00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:11.656
and rectify a situation that's

00:56:11.680 --> 00:56:14.680
frustrating and and and um unhealthy for

00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:18.119
some. And um and this, you know, what

00:56:19.839 --> 00:56:22.376
happens in here in in some form or other

00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:25.176
is either contributed part of it or or

00:56:25.200 --> 00:56:27.016
listen to it or whatever it is. And it's

00:56:27.040 --> 00:56:30.040
got to stop. It's got to stop. And I'm

00:56:30.319 --> 00:56:32.216
not suggesting that any individual or

00:56:32.240 --> 00:56:35.240
the like um is is a cause of it, but

00:56:35.520 --> 00:56:37.016
collectiVeigely

00:56:37.040 --> 00:56:39.656
um that's that's happening and

00:56:39.680 --> 00:56:42.680
collectiVeigely we can stop it. Um and and

00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:45.815
 we've taken with the action that we

00:56:45.839 --> 00:56:48.055
took um against the media outlets

00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:50.696
recently. That was part of it. Um the

00:56:50.720 --> 00:56:53.720
minister's chastise us I guess for the

00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:55.736
one of a word. He didn't choose any one

00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:57.656
of us. He

00:56:57.680 --> 00:56:59.815
and the like. And I'm not proposed to

00:56:59.839 --> 00:57:02.456
either, but what I'm suggesting is we're

00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:05.016
better than that.

00:57:05.040 --> 00:57:08.040
So, um, is any further debate?

00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:10.535
Council Brognner.

00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:13.016
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I have a couple of

00:57:13.040 --> 00:57:15.016
questions through you, Mr. Mayor, to the

00:57:15.040 --> 00:57:17.656
general manager. And by way of preamble,

00:57:17.680 --> 00:57:19.815
I'll just assure people that what I'm

00:57:19.839 --> 00:57:22.136
asking the general manager has been the

00:57:22.160 --> 00:57:24.295
subject of some correspondence

00:57:24.319 --> 00:57:27.256
 between us over the the last few

00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:28.775
weeks.

00:57:28.799 --> 00:57:31.095
Is it true, general manager, that our

00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:33.575
integrated planning and reporting

00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:36.599
framework means that any quarterly

00:57:36.720 --> 00:57:39.496
budget review is a public document and

00:57:39.520 --> 00:57:42.520
therefore a public process?

00:57:42.720 --> 00:57:43.736
It's through you, Mr. May. Yes,

00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:45.496
quarterly budget reviews are tabled um

00:57:45.520 --> 00:57:47.016
via the public  via the council

00:57:47.040 --> 00:57:47.575
meetings.

00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:50.295
Okay. Is it also true that if there was

00:57:50.319 --> 00:57:52.216
a financial impact relating to the

00:57:52.240 --> 00:57:54.535
departure of the former G  deputy the

00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:57.095
former general manager

00:57:57.119 --> 00:57:59.976
 that it that the quantum of that

00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:01.496
financial impact would be reported

00:58:01.520 --> 00:58:03.575
through the quarterly budget review

00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:05.176
process?

00:58:05.200 --> 00:58:06.775
 I'd have to take that one on notice.

00:58:06.799 --> 00:58:07.656
Councelor,

00:58:07.680 --> 00:58:09.095
that's not the answer that you gave me

00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:10.696
by correspondence. General manager,

00:58:10.720 --> 00:58:13.656
I can't recall the exact um words that I

00:58:13.680 --> 00:58:15.575
provided to you and I'm not going to

00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:17.335
guess. I'll I'll I'll make an assertion

00:58:17.359 --> 00:58:19.095
based on my recollection and I'm

00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:21.256
perfectly happy to be corrected. It is

00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:24.280
my understanding that the  financial

00:58:25.200 --> 00:58:27.335
impact of the departure of the former

00:58:27.359 --> 00:58:30.359
deputy of the former general manager

00:58:30.640 --> 00:58:32.936
would be reported and further that there

00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:35.960
would be no obfuscation of the the

00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:40.055
that line item. Ju just to clarify

00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:42.456
councel you asked a particular question

00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:44.616
that that was answered. There's no money

00:58:44.640 --> 00:58:47.016
that's spent in this ch in this in this

00:58:47.040 --> 00:58:49.335
building in this business that's not

00:58:49.359 --> 00:58:52.359
clarified somewhere in documents. Um and

00:58:52.799 --> 00:58:55.176
and if you need where it's clarified at

00:58:55.200 --> 00:58:57.736
a later time  that will be done. Thank

00:58:57.760 --> 00:58:57.976
you.

00:58:58.000 --> 00:58:59.575
You asked in relation to a quarterly

00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:00.216
report.

00:59:00.240 --> 00:59:03.240
Yeah.  so my next question is um Mr.

00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:06.055
Mayor you permitted the publication of a

00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:08.696
letter from the deputy secretary of the

00:59:08.720 --> 00:59:10.295
OG. Yep.

00:59:10.319 --> 00:59:13.319
And um I found that publication

00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:15.256
surprising in the sense that it was

00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:17.176
clear even in the wording of the letter

00:59:17.200 --> 00:59:19.256
that it was requested that that letter

00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:20.856
be circulated amongst counselors. Not

00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:23.736
that it would be published.  I don't

00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:26.136
think it's done anything to engender

00:59:26.160 --> 00:59:29.160
trust in the chamber. I'll just make

00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:31.736
that remark and move on. The letter,

00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:34.055
however, since it's now in the public

00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:37.079
domain, refers to the alleged leaking of

00:59:39.040 --> 00:59:41.496
matters, and it only uses the word

00:59:41.520 --> 00:59:43.016
matters. And in the next paragraph, it

00:59:43.040 --> 00:59:45.416
refers to the release of this

00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:47.815
information. I'd like to be specific

00:59:47.839 --> 00:59:50.839
about what it was about the departure of

00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:54.599
the general manager that was supposed to

00:59:55.200 --> 00:59:58.200
be kept confidential, whether it was a

00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:01.176
payment or some other element of that

01:00:01.200 --> 01:00:02.376
debate that was conducted in

01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:04.216
confidential session. Could I have some

01:00:04.240 --> 01:00:05.335
clarification, please?

01:00:05.359 --> 01:00:08.295
Yes, you can, counselor. But  before I

01:00:08.319 --> 01:00:11.016
asked the general manager um if he's if

01:00:11.040 --> 01:00:13.815
he was given that information that the

01:00:13.839 --> 01:00:15.176
reason it's in there and it was

01:00:15.200 --> 01:00:18.200
circulated to councilors um that we talk

01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:20.136
about accountability and transparency

01:00:20.160 --> 01:00:22.456
and the like um when letters are sent to

01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:24.616
us because we it's been indicated in

01:00:24.640 --> 01:00:26.055
other places that there's an

01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:27.496
investigation into a whole heap of

01:00:27.520 --> 01:00:30.456
things. Um th this there's no

01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:31.815
investigation into this. There's a

01:00:31.839 --> 01:00:33.416
letter. It's in the letter. All the

01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:35.416
information is there.  the community

01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:37.575
can Reardon it as they wish and the

01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:40.535
challenge um  if there is a challenge

01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:43.559
within that um and I I Reardon very clearly

01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:46.760
what you just alluded to that that there

01:00:47.040 --> 01:00:49.016
is an accusation there and that's one of

01:00:49.040 --> 01:00:50.775
the things that I believe that we need

01:00:50.799 --> 01:00:52.856
to stop doing and we got we got someone

01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:55.256
now in a prominent position.  I'm not

01:00:55.280 --> 01:00:57.575
aware of any particular charge or

01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:00.535
inference that that indicates anybody at

01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:02.696
all in relation to it, but I'd ask the

01:01:02.720 --> 01:01:05.720
general manager to to touch on that.

01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:07.896
 through you, Mr. Mayor. Um any matter

01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:10.856
or information um that is discussed or

01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:12.295
comes out during a confidential session

01:01:12.319 --> 01:01:14.535
of of council meetings is to remain

01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:16.856
confidential. And I think that is pretty

01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:19.736
clear in the deputy secretary's letter.

01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:22.760
 I I I thoroughly agree. I'm just

01:01:23.359 --> 01:01:25.335
trying to square considering that it's a

01:01:25.359 --> 01:01:27.976
significant  issue is that there

01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:30.936
should be clarity and um it will be

01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:33.095
acknowledged. I hope that I sought

01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:35.575
clarification in writing through

01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:37.976
multiple emails to both the mayor and

01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:40.456
the acting general manager on this

01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:43.095
question of what were the matters that

01:01:43.119 --> 01:01:45.016
were supposed to remain confidential

01:01:45.040 --> 01:01:46.456
because if there's an allegation of a

01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:48.856
leak then there would have to come 

01:01:48.880 --> 01:01:51.256
something specific. Now, I'll say the

01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:54.216
quiet part out loud. The local press did

01:01:54.240 --> 01:01:57.240
report on the fact that the departing

01:01:58.160 --> 01:02:01.160
general manager received a payment

01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:04.456
and I wanted to know whether it was

01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:07.480
desired or even possible to maintain

01:02:07.839 --> 01:02:10.456
that element of the discussion as

01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:13.480
confidential when as has been discussed

01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:16.055
those are budgetary matters and those

01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:17.575
budgetary matters are open and

01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:20.599
transparent to the public. So at that

01:02:21.040 --> 01:02:23.416
time and ever since, I have sought to

01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:26.440
seek some kind of clarification about

01:02:26.559 --> 01:02:29.095
what it was that was confidential that

01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:31.335
could not be spoken when council's

01:02:31.359 --> 01:02:33.815
budgetary processes would divulge those

01:02:33.839 --> 01:02:36.616
details in due course. I don't know

01:02:36.640 --> 01:02:37.656
whether that's a question or a

01:02:37.680 --> 01:02:38.456
statement. Mr.

01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:39.815
It is I can give you the answer.

01:02:39.839 --> 01:02:42.295
Certainly the doc what what what was

01:02:42.319 --> 01:02:43.896
available to the public and for

01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:46.920
discussion was Reardon out um by one of our

01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:49.960
officers  after council debated it and

01:02:50.240 --> 01:02:53.240
it was made public. Um whatever wasn't

01:02:54.160 --> 01:02:56.295
in on that document that was discussed

01:02:56.319 --> 01:02:59.256
that night is confidential.

01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:02.055
um in relation to any any funds that

01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:04.295
were expended through that resolution or

01:03:04.319 --> 01:03:06.456
the like, it will be accounted in

01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:08.535
appropriate manner um through our

01:03:08.559 --> 01:03:11.559
financial structures as as um and and

01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:14.376
they're assessed by a whole heap of

01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:16.295
people, not only the public, of how

01:03:16.319 --> 01:03:19.256
that's spent in relation to a question

01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:21.896
that might be asked, how what that money

01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:24.920
relates to um at a given time. um when

01:03:25.680 --> 01:03:27.416
it's presented in the format that it

01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:29.015
will be um if you ask that question

01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:30.616
you'll get an answer.

01:03:30.640 --> 01:03:32.055
Right. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I just

01:03:32.079 --> 01:03:33.815
thought it was important to clarify that

01:03:33.839 --> 01:03:36.216
because the the wording of your meal

01:03:36.240 --> 01:03:37.976
minute and the wording of the letter

01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:40.696
from the deputy secretary was not

01:03:40.720 --> 01:03:43.496
specific and I've sought clarity on a

01:03:43.520 --> 01:03:45.416
number of occasions and I thought it was

01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:47.575
important that this part of the debate

01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:50.599
also be held in public. The only other

01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:54.119
remark that I'll make is this.

01:03:56.240 --> 01:03:58.856
It was only a month ago where one of our

01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:01.656
colleagues, a man that I respect very

01:04:01.680 --> 01:04:03.176
much,

01:04:03.200 --> 01:04:06.200
felt so oppressed by the behavior of

01:04:07.039 --> 01:04:09.335
some people as that he confessed to

01:04:09.359 --> 01:04:11.976
suicidal idiation and is now taking a

01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:13.896
leave of absence.

01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:16.055
Mr. Mayor, point of order. I don't think

01:04:16.079 --> 01:04:19.079
that someone's private mental health um

01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:22.775
issue should be spoken about in a public

01:04:22.799 --> 01:04:24.775
meeting any further.

01:04:24.799 --> 01:04:27.496
My point of order is 15.11e.

01:04:27.520 --> 01:04:29.256
Yeah.

01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:32.280
Were you proposing to to

01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:34.376
go any further with that counselor?

01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:37.400
 I was going to make a a brief remark.

01:04:39.359 --> 01:04:41.095
Well, you can rule on the point.

01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:43.095
I will rule on it. the the the the point

01:04:43.119 --> 01:04:46.119
that the deputy mayor made is is I I

01:04:46.640 --> 01:04:47.575
uphold.

01:04:47.599 --> 01:04:50.599
Um so your comments need to

01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:51.656
reflect that.

01:04:51.680 --> 01:04:53.896
I was close to concluding. I'm simply

01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:55.496
pointing out the seriousness, the

01:04:55.520 --> 01:04:58.520
impact, the human cost of the issue that

01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:01.880
you raised in your meal minute that the

01:05:02.319 --> 01:05:05.319
tone or the the conduct of this chamber

01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:09.480
makes this  a place where we we can't

01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:12.616
deliberate in an evidence-based way on

01:05:12.640 --> 01:05:14.696
the pressing matters that the people

01:05:14.720 --> 01:05:17.575
elected who elected us expect us to be

01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:20.376
able to do to discharge our duty to be

01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:22.456
financially prudent and and have a

01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:23.976
vision for theuture. future and to

01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:26.055
engage our community and to have a

01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:27.575
positive message that we can put out to

01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:29.815
others. I simply wanted to point out

01:05:29.839 --> 01:05:32.839
that you know one of our colleagues felt

01:05:33.200 --> 01:05:34.856
so oppressed that he felt that way.

01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:35.335
Do it again.

01:05:35.359 --> 01:05:38.359
No, that's okay. And and I'm I myself

01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:41.480
have felt similarly oppressed in the

01:05:41.839 --> 01:05:43.575
past and it has to come from somewhere

01:05:43.599 --> 01:05:46.055
and I'd just like to suggest that I

01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:46.696
don't

01:05:46.720 --> 01:05:48.856
council I'm going to stop you there. If

01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:50.696
if there's an issue that you need to

01:05:50.720 --> 01:05:53.095
bring to the general manager or myself,

01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:56.119
do so. Um to to

01:05:57.839 --> 01:06:00.839
make assumptions or allegations  or

01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:03.656
the like u I'm not prepared to accept in

01:06:03.680 --> 01:06:06.680
this chamber. Um the the there's a

01:06:07.280 --> 01:06:10.136
process to go through if someone feels

01:06:10.160 --> 01:06:13.160
um  so that they need to express

01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:16.376
concern for themsel or someone else. And

01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:18.535
that's the avenue we're going to take.

01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:21.559
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

01:06:23.359 --> 01:06:24.456
Council Lyons-Buckett.

01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:27.015
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, I'll just

01:06:27.039 --> 01:06:29.896
touch on a couple of points and I I do

01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:32.775
find I know you've asked us not to refer

01:06:32.799 --> 01:06:34.936
to individuals, but I do have to say I

01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:37.335
find that commentary a little rich given

01:06:37.359 --> 01:06:39.736
that today upon the announcement of our

01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:42.760
SRV being successful. on councelor Zan

01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:46.216
Brono's page, somebody has commented

01:06:46.240 --> 01:06:48.456
about the former general manager in a

01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:50.696
way that exposes something they've been

01:06:50.720 --> 01:06:53.496
told from a confidential meeting. Mr.

01:06:53.520 --> 01:06:56.136
Mayor, and I will not stop because I'm

01:06:56.160 --> 01:06:59.160
going to say it. So to sit here and hear

01:06:59.839 --> 01:07:02.535
that when on a page administered by

01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:05.559
councelor Zambbro are our photos because

01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:08.920
we voted for that being called maggots,

01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:12.760
scum, bastards and and he's allowed sit

01:07:13.680 --> 01:07:15.335
there and pretend that it's all

01:07:15.359 --> 01:07:18.055
affecting him. What about us, our

01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:21.079
families and this carry on in here when

01:07:21.680 --> 01:07:24.216
you have called for us to try and

01:07:24.240 --> 01:07:26.616
overcome the division in this community

01:07:26.640 --> 01:07:29.640
which is fueled by that very thing and I

01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:32.775
find it insulting that we have to sit

01:07:32.799 --> 01:07:35.496
here and listen to it. So what I will

01:07:35.520 --> 01:07:38.520
say is that we cannot make  decisions

01:07:39.200 --> 01:07:42.200
on financial prudent in a prudent way

01:07:42.799 --> 01:07:45.416
when we're slammed every time we make a

01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:47.976
decision for which we have a right to

01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:50.456
make a decision. That's our right. We're

01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:52.456
elected. But every time we make a

01:07:52.480 --> 01:07:55.095
decision, we're slammed to the ground,

01:07:55.119 --> 01:07:57.976
told we're corrupt, called names, have

01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:00.295
our photos plastered everywhere. And

01:08:00.319 --> 01:08:03.015
that is what has got to stop. I have not

01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:05.656
seen behavior in here that is worse than

01:08:05.680 --> 01:08:08.055
what you see out there and it has to

01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:11.079
stop. And what my first response was was

01:08:11.520 --> 01:08:13.416
to call for the Office of Local

01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:16.295
Government to review every accusation.

01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:18.536
As you said, the accusations are there.

01:08:18.560 --> 01:08:21.175
Let's review them and let's have an

01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:24.199
outcome because it's lies. It's all made

01:08:24.799 --> 01:08:27.799
up to do with populism and certain

01:08:27.920 --> 01:08:29.896
people's agendas. And I'm not going to

01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:32.215
sit in here quietly and accept it any

01:08:32.239 --> 01:08:34.856
longer. I've had enough. Had enough of

01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:37.496
it. It has caused division in this

01:08:37.520 --> 01:08:40.520
community that is dangerous. Well, may

01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:42.695
we speak of individuals, but

01:08:42.719 --> 01:08:45.175
collectiVeigely as a community, a community

01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:47.576
that's still trying to heal from so many

01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:50.600
things. It's just absolutely horrendous.

01:08:51.440 --> 01:08:53.655
And I just think, you know, councelor

01:08:53.679 --> 01:08:56.456
Ryan is is a firstterm counselor and

01:08:56.480 --> 01:08:58.456
he's been insulted here tonight. He's

01:08:58.480 --> 01:09:00.456
been called a fascist all sorts of

01:09:00.480 --> 01:09:02.456
things and he's only been on here for a

01:09:02.480 --> 01:09:05.480
year and and that is not a way that

01:09:05.759 --> 01:09:08.295
shows an element within this chamber

01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:10.295
that has been undermining from the

01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:13.319
outside how we operate here and it has

01:09:13.839 --> 01:09:15.815
really got to stop and it's up to you as

01:09:15.839 --> 01:09:18.695
our leader to stop it. And just a meal

01:09:18.719 --> 01:09:20.775
minute with no action in it. Thank you,

01:09:20.799 --> 01:09:23.096
councelor Wheeler, for moving it to a

01:09:23.120 --> 01:09:26.120
briefing is the only way that we can go

01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:28.376
forward. It's condescending to be

01:09:28.400 --> 01:09:30.215
treated as if we don't know what we're

01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:32.215
doing. Some of us have been here a long

01:09:32.239 --> 01:09:34.295
time and we do know what we're doing.

01:09:34.319 --> 01:09:37.319
It's the rippling, undermining, vicious

01:09:37.839 --> 01:09:40.695
behavior that is directed to us. We're

01:09:40.719 --> 01:09:43.255
elected. We sit here. We make a

01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:45.175
decision. All of us should be able to

01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:47.655
justify that decision, however, and the

01:09:47.679 --> 01:09:49.896
community has to accept that they can

01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:51.655
politely and respectfully have an

01:09:51.679 --> 01:09:53.655
alternative point of view. But they

01:09:53.679 --> 01:09:56.679
cannot continue this absolutely

01:09:56.800 --> 01:09:59.576
horrendous response to everything about

01:09:59.600 --> 01:10:02.135
our council. No wonder our council staff

01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:04.376
aren't proud to work here. They work in

01:10:04.400 --> 01:10:05.736
their friendship circles. They're

01:10:05.760 --> 01:10:07.736
vilified for working here. And why would

01:10:07.760 --> 01:10:10.376
that be? Because of the not because of

01:10:10.400 --> 01:10:12.695
what happens in this meeting. because of

01:10:12.719 --> 01:10:14.776
what is put in the public about this

01:10:14.800 --> 01:10:17.096
place. I'm proud of our staff and I'm

01:10:17.120 --> 01:10:19.416
proud of this council and I'm mostly

01:10:19.440 --> 01:10:21.496
proud of this chamber except for

01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:23.896
sometimes when things are derailed.

01:10:23.920 --> 01:10:26.215
That's to and then we have the people

01:10:26.239 --> 01:10:28.536
who think division is the way to surge

01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:31.560
forward and get yourself further ahead.

01:10:32.080 --> 01:10:34.456
Whereas in reality, if we all support

01:10:34.480 --> 01:10:36.776
each other and we all work together, we

01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:38.776
all rise up and we make this a better

01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:41.576
place. Can we not try to do that? I

01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:43.896
think most of us are committed to that

01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:45.976
and I've got another minute so I'm going

01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:48.056
to keep going.

01:10:48.080 --> 01:10:50.456
Let me see what else have I got. I did

01:10:50.480 --> 01:10:52.135
have some notes but I've been a bit

01:10:52.159 --> 01:10:54.695
derailed because quite frankly I'm

01:10:54.719 --> 01:10:57.416
insulted to the core.

01:10:57.440 --> 01:10:59.976
Um I I do thank you Mr. Mayor for

01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:02.376
raising about the  in your meal minute

01:11:02.400 --> 01:11:04.456
about the confidentiality. That's a very

01:11:04.480 --> 01:11:06.215
important thing. There's nothing worse

01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:08.056
than being out in the community and

01:11:08.080 --> 01:11:10.695
someone says I heard you said in a

01:11:10.719 --> 01:11:12.776
meeting about something I heard you

01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:15.576
said. That means someone in here has

01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:18.600
told that person something that I have

01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:20.695
said and that's a breach of

01:11:20.719 --> 01:11:22.856
confidentiality. The rules are there.

01:11:22.880 --> 01:11:25.336
The rules about the general managers the

01:11:25.360 --> 01:11:26.856
guidelines for that are from the office

01:11:26.880 --> 01:11:28.456
of local government. All the people

01:11:28.480 --> 01:11:29.976
everyone's running to to have a look at

01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:32.456
us. We're using their rules. It's the

01:11:32.480 --> 01:11:34.456
same as in 2020 when the previous

01:11:34.480 --> 01:11:37.480
general manager left. The reported

01:11:37.920 --> 01:11:39.976
figures come when they come. I followed

01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:43.000
up on that all before and um the

01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:45.816
confidentiality is the same. Thank you,

01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:46.536
Mr. Mayor.

01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:49.560
Yeah. Thank you, councelor.

01:11:52.560 --> 01:11:55.560
Any further debate councilors?

01:11:56.159 --> 01:11:58.215
Council Wheeler,

01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:00.296
it's your motion.

01:12:00.320 --> 01:12:02.056
But it's your mayor a minute.

01:12:02.080 --> 01:12:05.080
Minute.

01:12:08.159 --> 01:12:11.159
The um I I'll just respond by by you

01:12:11.600 --> 01:12:14.536
know, I can only concur and the intent

01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:17.560
of the meal minute along the the the the

01:12:18.719 --> 01:12:20.616
lines that council Lyons-Buckett just

01:12:20.640 --> 01:12:23.640
spoke of. Um and

01:12:24.480 --> 01:12:27.480
the whatever um I've spoken to the

01:12:27.760 --> 01:12:29.096
general man we've spoken a lot about

01:12:29.120 --> 01:12:30.456
what's been happening over the last

01:12:30.480 --> 01:12:33.480
couple of weeks. Um and whatever avenues

01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:37.000
that we can take to put a stop to it,

01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:40.296
we're going to.

01:12:40.320 --> 01:12:43.320
So um that's that's the only commitment.

01:12:44.239 --> 01:12:47.016
I'm not a I'm not a Houdini. Um I I need

01:12:47.040 --> 01:12:50.040
a bit of help here um with with um and I

01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:52.936
know all is up to it.

01:12:52.960 --> 01:12:55.960
So councilors um the motion's on the on

01:12:56.960 --> 01:12:59.960
the um on the scReardon in front of you.

01:13:00.400 --> 01:13:03.400
Those in favor

01:13:04.400 --> 01:13:07.400
against it's carried.

01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:10.856
, councelor Samra, council Wheeler,

01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:13.256
Alliance, Bucket, Ryan, Jurich, McMahon,

01:13:13.280 --> 01:13:15.816
Kotlash, Reardon, and Sheather, the motion's

01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:17.736
carried.

01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:19.976
Um,

01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:23.000
those on block

01:13:31.120 --> 01:13:34.120
separately.

01:13:34.400 --> 01:13:35.736
Yeah,

01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:37.736
Mr. Mayor, I have a conflict on one of

01:13:37.760 --> 01:13:38.215
those.

01:13:38.239 --> 01:13:41.239
Yes, we we'll we'll pull um  9.4.7.

01:13:42.719 --> 01:13:44.296
The council Lyons-Buckett needs to

01:13:44.320 --> 01:13:47.256
declare a matter in that regard.

01:13:47.280 --> 01:13:49.576
Um

01:13:49.600 --> 01:13:52.600
can I have a motion in relation to items

01:13:53.120 --> 01:13:55.096
9.4.1

01:13:55.120 --> 01:13:57.096
9.4.2

01:13:57.120 --> 01:13:58.776
9.4.3

01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:01.016
9.4.4

01:14:01.040 --> 01:14:03.256
9.4.5

01:14:03.280 --> 01:14:06.280
9.4.6 6 9.5.1

01:14:08.320 --> 01:14:10.616
10.1.1

01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:13.576
Yes. Question of order, Mr. Mr. May.

01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:15.336
, question first.

01:14:15.360 --> 01:14:18.296
Question of order. Um,

01:14:18.320 --> 01:14:21.320
section 13.1E

01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:24.760
of the um code of meeting practice.

01:14:25.120 --> 01:14:25.496
Yep.

01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:28.520
It says that you you move the items for

01:14:29.360 --> 01:14:31.736
exception.

01:14:31.760 --> 01:14:34.456
Yes. You don't need a second a mover and

01:14:34.480 --> 01:14:36.536
seconder. It says that you will will

01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:38.536
move it

01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:40.616
because I've been madly researching my

01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:42.936
code of meeting practice because from

01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:45.960
now on I'm going to be um taking this

01:14:47.199 --> 01:14:49.655
much more seriously than I have. I came

01:14:49.679 --> 01:14:51.655
across that that clause.

01:14:51.679 --> 01:14:51.976
Yeah,

01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:55.000
it's 3.1E.

01:14:56.239 --> 01:14:59.239
That's that's fine, counselors. Okay. Um

01:14:59.679 --> 01:15:02.679
I move to that that's um that  is

01:15:03.440 --> 01:15:05.016
there anybody who wishes to speak

01:15:05.040 --> 01:15:06.776
against it?

01:15:06.800 --> 01:15:09.800
Those in favor

01:15:10.400 --> 01:15:12.856
it's carried.

01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:14.616
Councelor Zambogna, Council Wheeler,

01:15:14.640 --> 01:15:17.640
Lions Bucket, Ryan Jur, McMahon, Kotlash,

01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:21.880
um Reeden and Sheather. Thank you for that

01:15:22.560 --> 01:15:25.560
councelor. Um I I'll take that well on

01:15:26.239 --> 01:15:29.239
board. Thank you.

01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:33.016
Um

01:15:33.040 --> 01:15:36.040
the next item is 9.4.7.  council lines

01:15:37.520 --> 01:15:37.976
bucket.

01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:40.856
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um I I'll declare

01:15:40.880 --> 01:15:42.776
a less than significant non-pukunary

01:15:42.800 --> 01:15:45.655
interest in item 9.4.7.

01:15:45.679 --> 01:15:47.576
The  the nature of the interest is

01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:49.496
that the item mentions a property which

01:15:49.520 --> 01:15:51.416
may become the subject of a further item

01:15:51.440 --> 01:15:54.056
to council. We are the owners adjacent

01:15:54.080 --> 01:15:56.616
to that property. 295 Sackville Road,

01:15:56.640 --> 01:15:59.016
Wilberforce. The reason for no further

01:15:59.040 --> 01:16:01.175
action is that there's no decision to be

01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:03.175
made at this meeting with respect to

01:16:03.199 --> 01:16:04.776
that property. Therefore, the interest

01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:06.616
is less than significant.

01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:08.776
Thank you, councelor.

01:16:08.800 --> 01:16:11.800
 I put that item

01:16:13.679 --> 01:16:16.679
those in favor

01:16:16.880 --> 01:16:19.880
against carried.

01:16:20.320 --> 01:16:23.320
 councelor Kotlash 11.1.

01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:27.000
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

01:16:27.360 --> 01:16:29.016
 the um

01:16:29.040 --> 01:16:30.296
I'll second that, Mr. Mayor.

01:16:30.320 --> 01:16:33.320
Oh, thanks.  the inspiration for this

01:16:35.040 --> 01:16:37.416
 notice of motion was actually our

01:16:37.440 --> 01:16:40.440
very first speaker at our very first 

01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:43.960
public forum.  we had a a gentleman,

01:16:45.360 --> 01:16:48.296
Mr. um Michael Pulland who was I think

01:16:48.320 --> 01:16:51.320
he was the CEO of U Windsor League

01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:54.600
Leagues Club and he addressed us about

01:16:55.280 --> 01:16:58.280
their the need for  more sporting

01:16:59.040 --> 01:17:01.016
grounds and facilities

01:17:01.040 --> 01:17:04.040
and it was it was um astounding. I had

01:17:04.400 --> 01:17:07.400
no idea that that um the growth in in

01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:10.920
junior sport could be quite so

01:17:10.960 --> 01:17:13.496
um well quite so dramatic. have been

01:17:13.520 --> 01:17:14.296
spot

01:17:14.320 --> 01:17:16.936
and it seems that it's not going to stop

01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:19.960
anytime soon. So, um

01:17:21.040 --> 01:17:22.616
I

01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:25.640
we have been talking about um  using

01:17:25.920 --> 01:17:27.816
schools and school grounds because

01:17:27.840 --> 01:17:30.840
they're publicly funded.  and

01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:34.520
I thought that  we would be sort of

01:17:34.960 --> 01:17:36.215
looking into that, but it seems that

01:17:36.239 --> 01:17:37.976
it's fallen through the cracks. So, I

01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:41.000
thought I'd just give  this notice of

01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:43.336
motion and use it as a bit of a nudge

01:17:43.360 --> 01:17:46.360
along to for us to investigate.

01:17:48.400 --> 01:17:50.376
Sorry, I should get to the part of the

01:17:50.400 --> 01:17:53.400
um of the um business paper so I know

01:17:54.080 --> 01:17:57.080
what I wrote. Um I think that we need to

01:17:59.120 --> 01:18:01.976
just find out how many schools might be

01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:04.856
eligible  might be suitable I guess.

01:18:04.880 --> 01:18:06.376
Um,

01:18:06.400 --> 01:18:09.256
also we need to know if some schools

01:18:09.280 --> 01:18:12.280
have some sort of unusual  or unique

01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:14.936
sporting facilities that they might also

01:18:14.960 --> 01:18:16.936
be able to share. So, it's an expansion

01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:19.960
of  sporting fields and facilities,

01:18:20.320 --> 01:18:23.320
but it's also possibly about 

01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:26.376
expanding the types and the range the

01:18:26.400 --> 01:18:29.400
range of sports that um that we can 

01:18:30.800 --> 01:18:33.655
provide facilities for. So, that's a a

01:18:33.679 --> 01:18:36.679
kind of a a two two-way benefit.

01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:40.695
I The other inspiration for the notice

01:18:40.719 --> 01:18:42.215
of motion was that I was talking to

01:18:42.239 --> 01:18:44.536
somebody and they said, "Why when I go

01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:47.560
to the ACT on the weekend, why are there

01:18:47.679 --> 01:18:49.496
so many people in their public schools?"

01:18:49.520 --> 01:18:51.816
And I thought, well, um I know I'm a

01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:53.256
know-it-all, but I didn't know the

01:18:53.280 --> 01:18:55.016
reason for that. So I looked up the

01:18:55.040 --> 01:18:58.040
legislation and um the ACT has a very

01:18:59.360 --> 01:19:02.360
specific um overarching policy that any

01:19:03.679 --> 01:19:06.056
public funded facilities are for the

01:19:06.080 --> 01:19:08.376
public and they get kind of not

01:19:08.400 --> 01:19:10.296
precedents necessarily but they are open

01:19:10.320 --> 01:19:12.296
and the expectation

01:19:12.320 --> 01:19:15.320
on schools is that they need to to to

01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:17.336
open up and they need to share that

01:19:17.360 --> 01:19:20.360
space. So, it is a very different setup.

01:19:20.400 --> 01:19:22.296
In New South Wales, when I looked up

01:19:22.320 --> 01:19:25.320
what what how far we'd moved down that

01:19:25.679 --> 01:19:28.679
track, it's um it's similar. It's a bit

01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:32.376
more restrictive in in that and I've put

01:19:32.400 --> 01:19:34.215
this in the notice of motion background

01:19:34.239 --> 01:19:37.239
as well. Um

01:19:37.360 --> 01:19:40.215
the Department of Education alReardony has

01:19:40.239 --> 01:19:43.239
um mechanisms to make this happen. So, I

01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:45.736
think I just don't understand why it

01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:47.896
kind of not happened from

01:19:47.920 --> 01:19:50.920
at um it well it hasn't happened today.

01:19:52.159 --> 01:19:55.159
So um I hope that um this is not too

01:19:56.960 --> 01:19:59.960
ownorous. I think we need to sort of

01:20:00.320 --> 01:20:02.776
maybe choose a couple of schools maybe

01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:04.695
and start the process and see how that

01:20:04.719 --> 01:20:07.719
goes. I don't actually um care how it's

01:20:08.080 --> 01:20:11.080
done. Um but it would be really great if

01:20:11.360 --> 01:20:14.360
we could um assist the sports council 

01:20:15.040 --> 01:20:17.336
to to

01:20:17.360 --> 01:20:19.736
um identify where we might have more

01:20:19.760 --> 01:20:22.760
sporting grounds. And the other aspect

01:20:23.280 --> 01:20:26.280
of this which is point4 which

01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:29.336
it says in I think it says in the um the

01:20:29.360 --> 01:20:31.816
note from management I was intrigued

01:20:31.840 --> 01:20:33.655
that there's still there's a second

01:20:33.679 --> 01:20:36.679
round of um of public consultation in

01:20:39.040 --> 01:20:40.856
the department of education's master

01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:43.880
planning landscape document and I think

01:20:43.920 --> 01:20:46.920
that's a really  good opportunity for

01:20:47.040 --> 01:20:50.040
us to start to to look at  and have

01:20:50.880 --> 01:20:53.880
input into the design of schools so that

01:20:54.239 --> 01:20:56.456
um instead of these big black fences

01:20:56.480 --> 01:20:59.480
that we we see all around um school new

01:21:00.080 --> 01:21:02.376
schools are designed so they are able to

01:21:02.400 --> 01:21:04.456
be opened up easily and it's not kind of

01:21:04.480 --> 01:21:06.776
a fortress and the way things are

01:21:06.800 --> 01:21:09.800
designed it's easy for people to have

01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:13.159
access to these publicly funded um

01:21:13.360 --> 01:21:14.936
facilities.

01:21:14.960 --> 01:21:17.736
Um, I don't know how that works and I'm

01:21:17.760 --> 01:21:20.760
not sure that that it it's even possible

01:21:21.280 --> 01:21:24.280
to have that sort of interaction, but I

01:21:24.560 --> 01:21:27.560
I guess I just laid that I included that

01:21:28.400 --> 01:21:30.856
as um it would be great if we could get

01:21:30.880 --> 01:21:33.880
involved. So, that's it. um it's not as

01:21:33.920 --> 01:21:36.296
that's as complicated as it gets and I

01:21:36.320 --> 01:21:39.175
really look forward to um the the report

01:21:39.199 --> 01:21:42.199
coming back because  I think I think

01:21:42.480 --> 01:21:45.480
if if it can't be done I'd be really

01:21:45.520 --> 01:21:48.520
agitating to change  legislation so it

01:21:49.280 --> 01:21:51.016
can be done because I'm really a firm

01:21:51.040 --> 01:21:54.040
believer in if if public money has gone

01:21:55.840 --> 01:21:57.416
into

01:21:57.440 --> 01:22:00.440
um into the deVeigelopment of any

01:22:01.440 --> 01:22:04.440
facilities is um they shouldn't be

01:22:04.800 --> 01:22:06.215
locked up. I'm losing my voice. I'm

01:22:06.239 --> 01:22:08.296
sorry. They shouldn't be locked up for a

01:22:08.320 --> 01:22:11.320
time. I mean, I think that's crazy that

01:22:11.360 --> 01:22:13.016
especially when we're crying out for

01:22:13.040 --> 01:22:16.040
more for more um facilities.

01:22:16.480 --> 01:22:18.776
So, that's it. I hope you can support

01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:20.135
it. Thank you.

01:22:20.159 --> 01:22:23.096
Yeah. Thank you. Um I'll just say

01:22:23.120 --> 01:22:25.336
something. Um thanks for that,

01:22:25.360 --> 01:22:28.215
counselor. Um the I I'll just give you a

01:22:28.239 --> 01:22:31.239
bit of background on on what what um

01:22:31.600 --> 01:22:33.256
what's happening with sport and public

01:22:33.280 --> 01:22:36.056
facilities other than council own land.

01:22:36.080 --> 01:22:38.056
Um

01:22:38.080 --> 01:22:40.376
starting the regions like  color

01:22:40.400 --> 01:22:43.400
heights and and   Bilpin  they put

01:22:44.480 --> 01:22:45.896
in for grants from time to time for

01:22:45.920 --> 01:22:48.615
their multi-purpose courts. Um the

01:22:48.639 --> 01:22:50.215
sports council's been involved with them

01:22:50.239 --> 01:22:53.239
for many years  about supporting um 

01:22:54.639 --> 01:22:57.639
receals or the like   as a priority.

01:22:58.239 --> 01:22:59.736
They they speak with the local members

01:22:59.760 --> 01:23:02.760
about that. Um if they provide keys to

01:23:03.440 --> 01:23:05.576
the community, whether they charge or

01:23:05.600 --> 01:23:07.016
not, that's up to them.

01:23:07.040 --> 01:23:10.040
Um if if if the um if public funds have

01:23:11.120 --> 01:23:12.695
been spent on the schools like with

01:23:12.719 --> 01:23:14.296
grants and stuff like that, if they make

01:23:14.320 --> 01:23:16.215
the their facilities available after

01:23:16.239 --> 01:23:18.695
hours for tennis or the like um and the

01:23:18.719 --> 01:23:21.719
sports council supported that for ever.

01:23:22.080 --> 01:23:25.080
Um the raft base is another place. 

01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:27.896
they play cricket out there. Um not as

01:23:27.920 --> 01:23:29.816
much as they used to cuz there's issues

01:23:29.840 --> 01:23:31.976
um with security these days, but that

01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:33.576
that gets used. The university is

01:23:33.600 --> 01:23:35.976
another one.  both on their playing

01:23:36.000 --> 01:23:37.655
fields and the pool before it was filled

01:23:37.679 --> 01:23:40.679
in. Um there's issues with that with the

01:23:40.719 --> 01:23:43.256
management structure of the university.

01:23:43.280 --> 01:23:45.976
Um Windsor High School has used for

01:23:46.000 --> 01:23:47.816
cricket from time to time and overflow

01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:49.976
on on on wet in wet weather sometimes

01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:53.000
for for football. Um the problem there

01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:56.936
that  amendment is building um the

01:23:56.960 --> 01:23:59.896
access  from the playing fields is is

01:23:59.920 --> 01:24:02.456
built for the students of the school.

01:24:02.480 --> 01:24:05.480
Um, and so for  security reasons that

01:24:06.880 --> 01:24:08.456
that's got would have to be sectioned

01:24:08.480 --> 01:24:11.175
off and the like and and and um but

01:24:11.199 --> 01:24:12.856
that's been done in the past with with

01:24:12.880 --> 01:24:15.816
with temporary fencing and and um 

01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:17.896
toilets have been bought in for the

01:24:17.920 --> 01:24:20.920
period it's been required. Um behind the

01:24:21.760 --> 01:24:24.695
pool at at Windsor at Richmond, sorry.

01:24:24.719 --> 01:24:27.719
Um  the sports council's negotiated

01:24:27.920 --> 01:24:30.695
with Richmond High School that when 

01:24:30.719 --> 01:24:33.719
Tampllin um field is has um worked on,

01:24:34.320 --> 01:24:36.215
it's likely that that'll be the that'll

01:24:36.239 --> 01:24:39.096
be the place. Um we were hoping for Mans

01:24:39.120 --> 01:24:40.536
Park, but there's two different

01:24:40.560 --> 01:24:42.856
organizations using that. um or there

01:24:42.880 --> 01:24:45.880
would be um and and one of the issues if

01:24:47.199 --> 01:24:49.496
that if it goes on for a couple of years

01:24:49.520 --> 01:24:51.736
that that the Tampa field would lose

01:24:51.760 --> 01:24:54.760
their lose their um  people to to b to

01:24:56.480 --> 01:24:59.480
to McMahon's Park. Um so there's

01:24:59.840 --> 01:25:01.896
negotiations with the pool and and I

01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:04.056
believe there's stuff been signed up 

01:25:04.080 --> 01:25:06.215
for that to happen.  there's a little

01:25:06.239 --> 01:25:08.856
bit of expenditure there but the grounds

01:25:08.880 --> 01:25:09.816
look like they're going to be made

01:25:09.840 --> 01:25:12.840
available. So there is work but it's

01:25:13.440 --> 01:25:16.440
been ad hoc. Um this motion um can

01:25:17.199 --> 01:25:20.135
certainly  have council interact um

01:25:20.159 --> 01:25:22.135
with with the with the government

01:25:22.159 --> 01:25:25.159
buildings and the sports council  for

01:25:26.000 --> 01:25:28.376
opportunities that exist there. So

01:25:28.400 --> 01:25:30.776
councelor thank you council lines

01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:31.096
bucket.

01:25:31.120 --> 01:25:33.976
Thank you Mr. Mayor. Um I'm happy to and

01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:36.856
you did sort of um sort of answer a

01:25:36.880 --> 01:25:38.056
couple of things maybe I would have

01:25:38.080 --> 01:25:41.080
asked but um I'm happy to second this. I

01:25:41.440 --> 01:25:43.336
have raised it before as well. I think

01:25:43.360 --> 01:25:46.135
it's an obvious use that we should see

01:25:46.159 --> 01:25:47.736
and I thank councelor Kotlash for

01:25:47.760 --> 01:25:49.416
putting it in a format that will

01:25:49.440 --> 01:25:51.256
progress it forward. I think

01:25:51.280 --> 01:25:53.896
particularly in point two  if any

01:25:53.920 --> 01:25:56.215
schools have unusual or unique sporting

01:25:56.239 --> 01:25:59.239
facilities um I think that's  you know

01:26:00.639 --> 01:26:03.016
quite legitimate because these days when

01:26:03.040 --> 01:26:04.936
people play play things like pickle ball

01:26:04.960 --> 01:26:06.856
and all sorts of things there may be a

01:26:06.880 --> 01:26:08.936
school where that's a sort of a fad or

01:26:08.960 --> 01:26:10.135
something and they may have the

01:26:10.159 --> 01:26:12.215
facilities and that could be used by a

01:26:12.239 --> 01:26:14.936
wider variety. I'm not quite sure when

01:26:14.960 --> 01:26:17.175
it shifted that we didn't use schools. I

01:26:17.199 --> 01:26:18.936
know once the basketball stadium was

01:26:18.960 --> 01:26:20.615
built, I used to play basketball at the

01:26:20.639 --> 01:26:22.776
university and at the jail actually,

01:26:22.800 --> 01:26:25.800
which was an experience, but um  we um

01:26:27.600 --> 01:26:29.175
once the stadium was built that

01:26:29.199 --> 01:26:31.736
centralized that sport, but um I think

01:26:31.760 --> 01:26:34.376
maybe the civil liability act in 2002

01:26:34.400 --> 01:26:36.856
may have changed some of the simply

01:26:36.880 --> 01:26:39.880
allowing people onto to school grounds

01:26:40.080 --> 01:26:43.080
for sporting events, but  and the big

01:26:43.120 --> 01:26:45.976
black fences that we do see there were a

01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:48.135
strategy in response to vandalism I

01:26:48.159 --> 01:26:51.159
believe a few years ago. So um it would

01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:53.496
be really good if we could work around

01:26:53.520 --> 01:26:56.376
these things. Um many schools have some

01:26:56.400 --> 01:26:58.936
multiple you know courts that can be

01:26:58.960 --> 01:27:01.336
used for training in particular and they

01:27:01.360 --> 01:27:04.360
have ovals. Um I know school halls that

01:27:04.639 --> 01:27:06.456
were all built of course under a federal

01:27:06.480 --> 01:27:09.336
government grant scheme  can be hired

01:27:09.360 --> 01:27:11.576
in many cases. So there must be ways

01:27:11.600 --> 01:27:14.600
around  utilizing school facilities.

01:27:15.040 --> 01:27:16.856
It's terrible to see them there on a

01:27:16.880 --> 01:27:19.096
weekend just sitting idle when we know

01:27:19.120 --> 01:27:21.016
that some children may be missing out on

01:27:21.040 --> 01:27:22.856
their training or their game for the

01:27:22.880 --> 01:27:25.880
weekend. So, um let's hope that  we

01:27:26.960 --> 01:27:28.936
can get this report back and that there

01:27:28.960 --> 01:27:31.960
can be some sort of um potentially after

01:27:32.239 --> 01:27:34.536
that some sort of advocacy to the

01:27:34.560 --> 01:27:37.336
Minister for Sport. Um I don't know who

01:27:37.360 --> 01:27:40.360
that is currently, but  we could um

01:27:40.400 --> 01:27:43.256
progress that that forward even further.

01:27:43.280 --> 01:27:46.056
Thank you. Thank you councelor councelor

01:27:46.080 --> 01:27:46.695
Ben.

01:27:46.719 --> 01:27:48.456
Thank you Mr. Mayor. I think this is a

01:27:48.480 --> 01:27:50.056
great idea and it would be really good

01:27:50.080 --> 01:27:53.080
for security for the schools.

01:27:53.280 --> 01:27:56.280
Yep.

01:27:57.120 --> 01:27:58.056
Councelor Wheeler.

01:27:58.080 --> 01:28:00.296
Um thanks Mr. Mayor. I think this is um

01:28:00.320 --> 01:28:01.736
this is a good way forward. One of the

01:28:01.760 --> 01:28:03.576
one of the advantages of our public

01:28:03.600 --> 01:28:05.576
schools is that they are built on land

01:28:05.600 --> 01:28:08.056
that's flood free.  which is more than

01:28:08.080 --> 01:28:10.056
we can say for most of our sporting

01:28:10.080 --> 01:28:12.615
ovals. So even if they were able to

01:28:12.639 --> 01:28:15.639
provide some some um space to where

01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:19.655
where for times where we can't use um

01:28:19.679 --> 01:28:21.655
our our sporting facilities or at least

01:28:21.679 --> 01:28:24.135
allow our sporting facilities to recover

01:28:24.159 --> 01:28:26.856
 it would it would be a start. Um I

01:28:26.880 --> 01:28:28.695
agree wholeheartedly with councelor

01:28:28.719 --> 01:28:31.719
Kotlash that um public that facilities

01:28:31.920 --> 01:28:33.576
built with public money should be

01:28:33.600 --> 01:28:36.600
accessible by the public and in that

01:28:36.880 --> 01:28:39.256
vein I would also like to see us explore

01:28:39.280 --> 01:28:40.776
the use of some private school

01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:42.856
facilities as well because the vast

01:28:42.880 --> 01:28:45.096
majority of those are built with public

01:28:45.120 --> 01:28:47.416
funds as well and I don't think we

01:28:47.440 --> 01:28:48.936
should necessarily stop at public

01:28:48.960 --> 01:28:50.376
schools. I know that's more diff that's

01:28:50.400 --> 01:28:52.376
much more difficult to execute 

01:28:52.400 --> 01:28:55.016
because it well you know it requires

01:28:55.040 --> 01:28:56.776
layers of different bureaucracy

01:28:56.800 --> 01:28:58.215
including you know the the Catholic

01:28:58.239 --> 01:29:01.096
dascese and the various Anglican  and

01:29:01.120 --> 01:29:02.936
private schools but we do have a lot of

01:29:02.960 --> 01:29:05.816
private schools um in the Hawkesbury and

01:29:05.840 --> 01:29:07.736
I think it's also worth noting in fact

01:29:07.760 --> 01:29:10.760
that none of these places pay rates um

01:29:11.760 --> 01:29:14.135
they make you know they so they benefit

01:29:14.159 --> 01:29:17.159
greatly from um from rate payers money

01:29:17.440 --> 01:29:20.440
and many of them um educate rate payers

01:29:20.880 --> 01:29:23.576
children but they don't they are they

01:29:23.600 --> 01:29:26.600
are part of the 80% of land in this LGA

01:29:26.960 --> 01:29:29.576
that makes no contribution to the rates

01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:32.456
income of this council. Thanks.

01:29:32.480 --> 01:29:34.296
Thank you

01:29:34.320 --> 01:29:35.976
councelor Brona.

01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:37.496
Thank you Mr. Mayor. I have no

01:29:37.520 --> 01:29:39.096
difficulty with this notice of motion.

01:29:39.120 --> 01:29:41.096
It's very sensible. It speaks to

01:29:41.120 --> 01:29:42.135
something that I've heard in

01:29:42.159 --> 01:29:44.215
conversation on a number of occasions.

01:29:44.239 --> 01:29:46.135
Like councelor Wheeler I wonder how we

01:29:46.159 --> 01:29:48.376
could broaden its scope. Public schools,

01:29:48.400 --> 01:29:50.936
yes. Private schools, probably. Many

01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:53.336
people have come to me saying, well, you

01:29:53.360 --> 01:29:55.576
know, you've got a lot of heavy

01:29:55.600 --> 01:29:57.175
residential deVeigelopment immediately

01:29:57.199 --> 01:29:59.256
adjacent to Skyville National Park. And

01:29:59.280 --> 01:30:01.816
Skyville National Park isn't a normal

01:30:01.840 --> 01:30:04.056
park in the sense that it's all pristine

01:30:04.080 --> 01:30:06.135
wilderness. It's been heavily affected

01:30:06.159 --> 01:30:08.456
through human activity over many years.

01:30:08.480 --> 01:30:10.776
And it has alReardony been the case that

01:30:10.800 --> 01:30:13.496
people have used portions of Skycoal

01:30:13.520 --> 01:30:15.096
National Park for both passive and

01:30:15.120 --> 01:30:17.736
active recreation, including by the Dr.

01:30:17.760 --> 01:30:19.896
community. And of course, as we know

01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:21.896
through debate in this chamber, we are

01:30:21.920 --> 01:30:24.920
desperately short of Dr. facilities in

01:30:25.040 --> 01:30:27.736
this LGA. We have Dr. facilities that

01:30:27.760 --> 01:30:30.135
are going that are laying fow and that

01:30:30.159 --> 01:30:32.936
aren't being used because of disputes.

01:30:32.960 --> 01:30:35.016
So I wonder whether we could approach

01:30:35.040 --> 01:30:37.736
national parks and get some kind of

01:30:37.760 --> 01:30:40.760
hybrid use out of areas of Skyville

01:30:41.280 --> 01:30:42.936
National Park. These are areas that are

01:30:42.960 --> 01:30:45.256
alReardony in a sense set up, but it hasn't

01:30:45.280 --> 01:30:47.175
been formalized. It hasn't been brought

01:30:47.199 --> 01:30:48.776
under the wing of council or

01:30:48.800 --> 01:30:50.456
incorporated into our recreational

01:30:50.480 --> 01:30:53.480
strategies or you know um broached with

01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:56.135
the sports council. But there are other

01:30:56.159 --> 01:30:58.776
kinds of land that are amendable to this

01:30:58.800 --> 01:31:01.736
use even beyond what councel Kotlash is

01:31:01.760 --> 01:31:04.760
suggesting here. And I hope  either

01:31:05.199 --> 01:31:07.896
that council Kotlash would be content to

01:31:07.920 --> 01:31:10.920
um expand the scope of this or that the

01:31:10.960 --> 01:31:13.960
staff listening on  get the the tone

01:31:14.639 --> 01:31:17.336
of the intent that we're projecting here

01:31:17.360 --> 01:31:20.360
and and might broaden it to to those

01:31:20.400 --> 01:31:23.175
other kinds of land use. Thank you.

01:31:23.199 --> 01:31:25.416
Yeah. Thank you, councelor. Just in

01:31:25.440 --> 01:31:27.416
relation to the Skyville, um they're

01:31:27.440 --> 01:31:30.440
proposing to to revitalize, I suppose,

01:31:31.520 --> 01:31:32.936
um some of the sporting grounds out

01:31:32.960 --> 01:31:35.496
there. Um to what degree they can use be

01:31:35.520 --> 01:31:37.816
used for competition, not quite sure,

01:31:37.840 --> 01:31:40.695
but they're keen.  our local member is

01:31:40.719 --> 01:31:42.376
both our local members are involved in

01:31:42.400 --> 01:31:44.456
supporting that as well. So, there's

01:31:44.480 --> 01:31:46.695
there's definitely a move. Um, and I'm

01:31:46.719 --> 01:31:49.719
sure this our staff are well aware of if

01:31:49.920 --> 01:31:51.576
um, they probably haven't had ,

01:31:51.600 --> 01:31:53.096
discussions alReardony in relation to that

01:31:53.120 --> 01:31:55.416
regard what's required to make that

01:31:55.440 --> 01:31:58.440
happen.

01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:01.576
Deputy Mayor.

01:32:01.600 --> 01:32:03.175
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. My remarks will be

01:32:03.199 --> 01:32:04.936
brief. I just want to support councelor

01:32:04.960 --> 01:32:06.936
Kotlash and the initiative with this

01:32:06.960 --> 01:32:08.936
notice of motion. , it's nice to see

01:32:08.960 --> 01:32:10.215
that there'll be support for this

01:32:10.239 --> 01:32:12.536
amongst our colleagues in the chamber. I

01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:14.376
think it's a good idea to have a look at

01:32:14.400 --> 01:32:16.536
those  shared assets that we have that

01:32:16.560 --> 01:32:19.560
are  basically exist because of public

01:32:19.679 --> 01:32:22.679
funds and it's it's a good way to

01:32:22.719 --> 01:32:24.296
address the acute problem that we have

01:32:24.320 --> 01:32:25.496
when we don't have enough sporting

01:32:25.520 --> 01:32:27.256
fields and here we were earlier tonight

01:32:27.280 --> 01:32:28.936
acknowledging and celebrating an Neil

01:32:28.960 --> 01:32:31.016
someone who's dealt with that issue for

01:32:31.040 --> 01:32:33.496
a number of years in our LGA. I do think

01:32:33.520 --> 01:32:35.096
we start need to start looking at ways

01:32:35.120 --> 01:32:36.615
to solve problems by stepping outside

01:32:36.639 --> 01:32:38.296
the box stepping outside of what we

01:32:38.320 --> 01:32:39.976
would normally do. I think councelor

01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:41.416
Cotlas touched on the fact that this

01:32:41.440 --> 01:32:43.736
happens in the ACT. Why can't it happen

01:32:43.760 --> 01:32:45.416
in New South Wales? Well, a lot of stuff

01:32:45.440 --> 01:32:47.416
doesn't happen in New South Wales 

01:32:47.440 --> 01:32:48.936
because of our government. But at the

01:32:48.960 --> 01:32:50.456
end of the day, I think that we need to

01:32:50.480 --> 01:32:51.896
start looking at those different aspects

01:32:51.920 --> 01:32:54.215
and how to solve problems with the tools

01:32:54.239 --> 01:32:55.816
in our toolbox that we have. Thank you,

01:32:55.840 --> 01:32:58.296
councelor.

01:32:58.320 --> 01:33:01.320
Yeah. Um just I'll just make comment in

01:33:01.679 --> 01:33:03.816
relation to follow on for you, Deputy

01:33:03.840 --> 01:33:06.840
Mayor. Um we we've got 38 playing fields

01:33:08.080 --> 01:33:11.080
across our city. Um the the best one by

01:33:11.679 --> 01:33:14.679
far is um um Ben's Lane. It's complex

01:33:16.719 --> 01:33:18.776
and um just be mindful when we talk

01:33:18.800 --> 01:33:21.175
about individual grounds, they need the

01:33:21.199 --> 01:33:23.816
same facilities on them as where you can

01:33:23.840 --> 01:33:26.376
multi-purpose a ground back to back and

01:33:26.400 --> 01:33:28.056
stuff like that. Light your toilets,

01:33:28.080 --> 01:33:30.456
your everything. And it's those

01:33:30.480 --> 01:33:33.256
facilities and the running costs of them

01:33:33.280 --> 01:33:35.655
that are a cost apart from the ground

01:33:35.679 --> 01:33:38.679
itself. So it's it's always say oh we

01:33:39.040 --> 01:33:40.856
we've got a particular piece of ground

01:33:40.880 --> 01:33:42.856
somewhere that we can utilize for that

01:33:42.880 --> 01:33:44.776
purpose. But when you start putting

01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:47.800
amenities on it and and um and you know

01:33:48.080 --> 01:33:50.056
a good example of of of the sort of

01:33:50.080 --> 01:33:52.936
money you need to spend is is Fernadel.

01:33:52.960 --> 01:33:55.960
Um um so just be mindful that that um

01:33:58.000 --> 01:33:59.896
there's a whole heap of things to look

01:33:59.920 --> 01:34:02.296
at. Um that's not you know the schools

01:34:02.320 --> 01:34:05.096
are at a great advantage  if we build

01:34:05.120 --> 01:34:07.816
such a facility on their properties

01:34:07.840 --> 01:34:10.695
because they can utilize them every day

01:34:10.719 --> 01:34:13.719
but um the facilities have alReardony got

01:34:14.000 --> 01:34:17.000
any further discussion counselors

01:34:18.480 --> 01:34:19.816
reply councelor.

01:34:19.840 --> 01:34:22.456
Thank you Mr. Mayor. , thank you

01:34:22.480 --> 01:34:25.480
everyone for um your input  into this

01:34:26.639 --> 01:34:29.256
and I have to I I sorry I was grinning

01:34:29.280 --> 01:34:31.736
when councelor Willer um went down the

01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:33.896
road of private schools and I was almost

01:34:33.920 --> 01:34:35.655
getting hysterical when um councelor

01:34:35.679 --> 01:34:38.296
Zrognner um mentioned national parks and

01:34:38.320 --> 01:34:39.896
wildlife because I actually started to

01:34:39.920 --> 01:34:41.816
look at that and thought okay well this

01:34:41.840 --> 01:34:43.976
is really complicated because naturally

01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:46.376
I had to Reardon every bit of legislation

01:34:46.400 --> 01:34:49.400
attached to it. So the purpose I'm happy

01:34:51.360 --> 01:34:53.416
for that to be kind of included if the

01:34:53.440 --> 01:34:55.496
staff think that that that that that's

01:34:55.520 --> 01:34:58.456
kind of sensible and doable. But the

01:34:58.480 --> 01:35:00.215
reason I pulled back and thought, "No,

01:35:00.239 --> 01:35:02.056
we'll just we'll just see what we can do

01:35:02.080 --> 01:35:05.080
with public schools at the moment um

01:35:06.880 --> 01:35:09.816
was um I I really did I went I I just

01:35:09.840 --> 01:35:11.736
pulled it back to the not the bare

01:35:11.760 --> 01:35:13.816
bones, but I guess what are the low

01:35:13.840 --> 01:35:16.840
lowhanging fruit because I thought we

01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:19.175
the Department of Education alReardony has

01:35:19.199 --> 01:35:21.416
those agreements

01:35:21.440 --> 01:35:24.440
sort of in template. we can have joint

01:35:24.880 --> 01:35:27.880
use agreements which is we pay for some

01:35:28.239 --> 01:35:31.239
extra facility in a school. Um

01:35:32.480 --> 01:35:35.016
they benefit, we benefit and we spend

01:35:35.040 --> 01:35:36.936
you know um an eighth of the money that

01:35:36.960 --> 01:35:38.936
we we needed to spend to get that

01:35:38.960 --> 01:35:40.456
facility.

01:35:40.480 --> 01:35:43.096
Um likewise the shared use agreement we

01:35:43.120 --> 01:35:45.256
don't put any money into that but we

01:35:45.280 --> 01:35:47.496
have some sort of you know reciprocal

01:35:47.520 --> 01:35:50.520
arrangements and both both benefit. So I

01:35:52.239 --> 01:35:54.615
suppose that's that's why I didn't

01:35:54.639 --> 01:35:57.639
include those things. Um

01:35:58.239 --> 01:36:01.016
look, I'm I guess why don't we leave it

01:36:01.040 --> 01:36:02.936
at this just to to get the process

01:36:02.960 --> 01:36:05.960
running and I'm sure at a later stage um

01:36:06.320 --> 01:36:08.615
now the staff know that I mean obviously

01:36:08.639 --> 01:36:11.639
if it's if it's easy to do um I remember

01:36:12.159 --> 01:36:13.816
spending a few years of my life trying

01:36:13.840 --> 01:36:15.816
to get some steps put in a national

01:36:15.840 --> 01:36:18.615
park. So, not sure whether that they

01:36:18.639 --> 01:36:20.776
have very rigid

01:36:20.800 --> 01:36:22.776
kind of I don't think it's changed, but

01:36:22.800 --> 01:36:25.496
that that was just a little um too much

01:36:25.520 --> 01:36:27.896
for me to work out. Um but happy if

01:36:27.920 --> 01:36:30.135
Skyville is an exception for that to be

01:36:30.159 --> 01:36:32.296
thrown in.

01:36:32.320 --> 01:36:35.320
I just like to say that um I think a lot

01:36:36.000 --> 01:36:39.000
of the barriers to actually um

01:36:39.199 --> 01:36:42.199
formalizing and making this just common

01:36:42.639 --> 01:36:45.639
place is the attitude

01:36:45.920 --> 01:36:48.920
of both the department of education

01:36:50.320 --> 01:36:53.095
and it's based on what council alliance

01:36:53.119 --> 01:36:56.056
bucket said about the civil um liability

01:36:56.080 --> 01:36:59.080
act. We we went there schools used to be

01:37:00.480 --> 01:37:03.016
much more open than they are. Then there

01:37:03.040 --> 01:37:05.655
was you know lots of things happen and

01:37:05.679 --> 01:37:08.456
these those big fences were built and

01:37:08.480 --> 01:37:11.095
children's safety also was not just

01:37:11.119 --> 01:37:13.016
about people coming in. It's just not

01:37:13.040 --> 01:37:16.040
letting not letting the kids out. All of

01:37:16.639 --> 01:37:19.496
that has sort of changed the attitude of

01:37:19.520 --> 01:37:22.520
how accessible these places are. And I

01:37:23.520 --> 01:37:25.416
think we have to work on that attitude.

01:37:25.440 --> 01:37:28.440
We have to we have to pair that back. I

01:37:28.480 --> 01:37:31.480
know there's security issues, but as

01:37:32.560 --> 01:37:35.256
councelor Eden said, there might be some

01:37:35.280 --> 01:37:38.280
reciprocal um advantages

01:37:38.639 --> 01:37:40.215
um

01:37:40.239 --> 01:37:43.239
having um somebody use grounds um on the

01:37:44.239 --> 01:37:47.095
weekend that actually enhance security.

01:37:47.119 --> 01:37:49.095
So, there's a lot of you know, I want to

01:37:49.119 --> 01:37:51.896
flip this into it's win-win. This has

01:37:51.920 --> 01:37:54.695
just got to be a good idea and I hope it

01:37:54.719 --> 01:37:57.719
is. And the other thing about I think is

01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:01.000
a st bit of a stumbling block is

01:38:01.840 --> 01:38:04.840
clubs, sporting clubs  that I have to

01:38:05.119 --> 01:38:07.336
claim I don't know that much about but

01:38:07.360 --> 01:38:09.496
it seems to me that they need some

01:38:09.520 --> 01:38:12.520
certainty. they need to be able to build

01:38:12.800 --> 01:38:15.800
you know at least a a year or two so

01:38:16.080 --> 01:38:18.135
that their competitions and so they can

01:38:18.159 --> 01:38:21.159
organize them themselves um in that way.

01:38:22.080 --> 01:38:24.536
So I think we aim for that we aim to

01:38:24.560 --> 01:38:27.560
formalize this.

01:38:28.320 --> 01:38:30.856
I was um

01:38:30.880 --> 01:38:33.880
I was  when I was um going to include

01:38:35.040 --> 01:38:37.175
the private schools, I really did think

01:38:37.199 --> 01:38:39.976
that they we should try and get some

01:38:40.000 --> 01:38:41.976
sort of arrangements with them. I mean,

01:38:42.000 --> 01:38:44.695
if

01:38:44.719 --> 01:38:46.936
we'll go we'll we'll maybe go down that

01:38:46.960 --> 01:38:49.576
track um later, but I think they they

01:38:49.600 --> 01:38:52.600
have  really good facilities and I

01:38:53.280 --> 01:38:56.135
think they need to start sharing them.

01:38:56.159 --> 01:38:59.159
Otherwise, we could ch um No, I

01:38:59.760 --> 01:39:01.655
legislatiVeigely we can't charge them

01:39:01.679 --> 01:39:04.679
rates, unfortunately, but um it it' be

01:39:04.719 --> 01:39:07.655
good if we could. Um

01:39:07.679 --> 01:39:10.456
so, yeah. So, that's that's it. I'm I'm

01:39:10.480 --> 01:39:13.256
glad um that we're we're going to kick

01:39:13.280 --> 01:39:16.135
kick this along. I think I hope we're

01:39:16.159 --> 01:39:18.296
pleasantly surprised. I hope there's

01:39:18.320 --> 01:39:21.320
there's a lot of um I hope there's some

01:39:21.920 --> 01:39:24.215
schools that understand that some kids

01:39:24.239 --> 01:39:26.135
might be missing out and that's just

01:39:26.159 --> 01:39:28.056
that's that's the that's just not

01:39:28.080 --> 01:39:29.976
acceptable. Thanks.

01:39:30.000 --> 01:39:33.000
Thank you councelor

01:39:33.119 --> 01:39:36.119
and always

01:39:36.400 --> 01:39:38.135
the motion's before you councelor. Those

01:39:38.159 --> 01:39:41.159
in favor

01:39:41.199 --> 01:39:43.655
against is carried.

01:39:43.679 --> 01:39:46.679
Cases Zambro Wheeler Lyons-Buckett Ryan

01:39:47.520 --> 01:39:50.520
Jur McMahon Codash Reardon and Sheila the

01:39:51.440 --> 01:39:53.976
motion's carried

01:39:54.000 --> 01:39:56.695
um

01:39:56.719 --> 01:39:58.615
13.1

01:39:58.639 --> 01:40:01.639
 response to councelor's questions

01:40:06.080 --> 01:40:09.080
um

01:40:09.600 --> 01:40:11.976
14.3

01:40:12.000 --> 01:40:15.000
it's a confidential document counselors

01:40:15.360 --> 01:40:18.360
we need to

01:40:18.400 --> 01:40:20.376
 go into session. Can we have I have a

01:40:20.400 --> 01:40:22.856
motion in that regard.

01:40:22.880 --> 01:40:25.880
Councelor Kotlash, councelor Reardon.

01:40:29.760 --> 01:40:32.615
Those in favor

01:40:32.639 --> 01:40:35.639
against is carried.

01:40:43.920 --> 01:40:46.920
Go into session.

01:40:48.320 --> 01:40:51.320
Council Ryan, um that was you caught on

01:40:52.000 --> 01:40:55.000
the hop of it there, but um you need to

01:40:55.119 --> 01:40:58.119
declare what you the interest you had.

01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:03.880
I mean, you need

01:41:18.080 --> 01:41:21.080
 thank you Mr. Mayor. It's item 14

01:41:22.000 --> 01:41:25.000
3.1. I have a um less than pecuminary

01:41:27.520 --> 01:41:30.520
 significant non-p precum interest in

01:41:30.639 --> 01:41:32.936
that item where I have a member of my

01:41:32.960 --> 01:41:35.816
family who attends that school.

01:41:35.840 --> 01:41:37.736
Appreciate that.

01:41:37.760 --> 01:41:39.816
And you left the room counselor. and I

01:41:39.840 --> 01:41:40.776
left the room.

01:41:40.800 --> 01:41:43.800
Thank you,

01:41:47.360 --> 01:41:49.816
general manager.

01:41:49.840 --> 01:41:52.840
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.  whilst in close

01:41:53.280 --> 01:41:56.280
session,  council resolved on the

01:41:56.639 --> 01:41:59.639
motion of councelor McMahon and seconded

01:42:00.239 --> 01:42:03.239
by councelor Jurich that council agree

01:42:03.440 --> 01:42:05.016
to enter into a lease with Richmond

01:42:05.040 --> 01:42:06.695
Preschool Kindergarten Association

01:42:06.719 --> 01:42:09.719
Incorporated. Incorporate a number Y

01:42:09.840 --> 01:42:12.296
0807231

01:42:12.320 --> 01:42:14.536
for part of the property known as 110

01:42:14.560 --> 01:42:17.095
Mart Street, Richmond being part part of

01:42:17.119 --> 01:42:20.119
lot two and deposited plan 575929.

01:42:20.480 --> 01:42:22.135
Part of lot two in depositive plan

01:42:22.159 --> 01:42:23.976
560898.

01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:25.576
Part of lot four and depositor plan

01:42:25.600 --> 01:42:28.536
561147 and part of lot six in depositor

01:42:28.560 --> 01:42:30.456
plan 560899

01:42:30.480 --> 01:42:33.016
as outlined in this report. Two,

01:42:33.040 --> 01:42:35.175
authority be given for the lease and any

01:42:35.199 --> 01:42:36.776
other documentation in association with

01:42:36.800 --> 01:42:38.215
this matter to be executed under the

01:42:38.239 --> 01:42:40.135
seal of council.

01:42:40.159 --> 01:42:41.655
And three, details of council's

01:42:41.679 --> 01:42:43.336
resolution be conveyed to the proposed

01:42:43.360 --> 01:42:45.256
lei together with the advice the council

01:42:45.280 --> 01:42:46.776
is not and will not be bound by the

01:42:46.800 --> 01:42:49.416
terms of its resolution until such time

01:42:49.440 --> 01:42:51.175
as appropriate legal documentation to

01:42:51.199 --> 01:42:53.736
put such a resolution into effect has

01:42:53.760 --> 01:42:56.456
been agreed to and executed by all

01:42:56.480 --> 01:42:59.480
parties. For the motion were councilors

01:42:59.600 --> 01:43:02.296
Zamprogno, Jurich, McMahon, Kotlash,

01:43:02.320 --> 01:43:04.856
Rearen, and Sheila. Against the motion

01:43:04.880 --> 01:43:06.936
were councilors Wheeler and Council

01:43:06.960 --> 01:43:08.695
Lions Bucket, and absent from the

01:43:08.719 --> 01:43:10.376
chamber, councelor Ryan. Thank you, Mr.

01:43:10.400 --> 01:43:13.016
Mayor.

01:43:13.040 --> 01:43:14.536
Thank you, councilors. , that

01:43:14.560 --> 01:43:15.896
concludes the meeting tonight. Thank you

01:43:15.920 --> 01:43:18.920
for your attendance and the staff. Um,

01:43:20.239 --> 01:43:23.239
I'll close the meeting.